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Old 01-03-2013, 09:34   #1
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28 Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the Lord.
So I just want to hear some thoughts on this one. Seems pretty clear you aren't supposed to mark on your body. Doesn't even say permanent marks either. So it raises a few questions.

1. Does this include makeup for women?

2. This absolutely covers tattoos right?

3. If religiously based are they graven images?

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Old 01-03-2013, 09:44   #2
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Doesn't look like Jewish symbols to me.
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I know someone recently who got a bible verse as a tattoo. I'm not judging anyone for getting any tattoos, and while many get one because it looks cool, to many their tats have meaning. I think it's more about your heart than anything else.
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Doesn't look like Jewish symbols to me.
So it would need to be jewish to be a graven image?

And that first one and second one don't look like a bunch of jewish guys to you? LOL

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I know someone recently who got a bible verse as a tattoo. I'm not judging anyone for getting any tattoos, and while many get one because it looks cool, to many their tats have meaning. I think it's more about your heart than anything else.
Interesting... so you can commit an everlasting sin but if you're heart is full of love for Christ you are good?
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Old 01-03-2013, 09:59   #6
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So it would need to be jewish to be a graven image?

And that first one and second one don't look like a bunch of jewish guys to you? LOL
Leviticus is a book of Law that coincides with the old covenant.


Yes they look Jewish, but I suspect the person with the tattoo is not.
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So I just want to hear some thoughts on this one. Seems pretty clear you aren't supposed to mark on your body.
Are you looking for a mature and intellectual discussion of the subject, or are you just going to ridicule and demean any believer who posts their opinion on the subject?
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Leviticus is a book of Law that coincides with the old covenant.


Yes they look Jewish, but I suspect the person with the tattoo is not.
So the old covenant only applies to Jews?
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So the old covenant only applies to Jews?
One could make a case that it doesn't even apply to them anymore.

Hebrews 8:13
In that He says, A new covenant, He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

I have to wonder why you care though. Does the book of Leviticus mean anything to you?
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One could make a case that it doesn't even apply to them anymore.

Hebrews 8:13
In that He says, A new covenant, He has made the first obsolete. Now what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away.

I have to wonder why you care though. Does the book of Leviticus mean anything to you?
I'm trying to understand why it's treated so casually. I see tons of Christians sporting Tattoos and God says right there not to. Unless there is someone else in the bible that says I am your Lord your God.
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Christians also eat pork and bacon.

Christ fulfilled the old law, removing certain aspects of the old covenant.
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Christians also eat pork and bacon.

Christ fulfilled the old law, removing certain aspects of the old covenant.
Certain aspects? Like?
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I'm trying to understand why it's treated so casually. I see tons of Christians sporting Tattoos and God says right there not to. Unless there is someone else in the bible that says I am your Lord your God.
There are two answers to your question

1. Markings on the skin indicated heathen worship practices.

2. The statutes and judgments in the first five books of the law with the exception of those written by Gods finger were for the ancient nation of Israel under a Theocracy.

Moses makes this distinction here:

Deuteronomy 4:13 And he declared to you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, that is, the Ten Commandments, and he wrote them on two tablets of stone.

Deuteronomy 4:14 And the LORD commanded me at that time to teach you statutes and rules, that you might do them in the land that you are going over to possess.

The first 5 books of the Bible are attributed to Moses. Deuteronomy and Leviticus in particular are dedicated to the statutes and judgments for ancient Israel. This does not mean that there is not wisdom in following the health laws contained in them, but the ceremonies and religious teachings have now given way to the New Covenant which is the Old Covenant (the Law of God's Ten Commandments written in the heart by the Spirit of God).
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There are two answers to your question

1. Markings on the skin indicated heathen worship practices.

2. The statutes and judgments in the first five books of the law with the exception of those written by Gods finger were for the ancient nation of Israel under a Theocracy.

Moses makes this distinction here:

Deuteronomy 4:13 And he declared to you his covenant, which he commanded you to perform, that is, the Ten Commandments, and he wrote them on two tablets of stone.

Deuteronomy 4:14 And the LORD commanded me at that time to teach you statutes and rules, that you might do them in the land that you are going over to possess.

The first 5 books of the Bible are attributed to Moses. Deuteronomy and Leviticus in particular are dedicated to the statutes and judgments for ancient Israel. This does not mean that there is not wisdom in following the health laws contained in them, but the ceremonies and religious teachings have now given way to the New Covenant which is the Old Covenant (the Law of God's Ten Commandments written in the heart by the Spirit of God).
Is it a sin to get a tattoo? And is it a permanent sin given that the tattoo remains forever?
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I'm trying to understand why it's treated so casually. I see tons of Christians sporting Tattoos and God says right there not to. Unless there is someone else in the bible that says I am your Lord your God.
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Is it a sin to get a tattoo? And is it a permanent sin given that the tattoo remains forever?
All sins are permanent. They cannot be undone. They can only be forgiven.

It probably is a sin to get a tattoo because it is defiling the temple of God, but it is not my place to make that judgment nor to be offended by one who does such.


1 Corinthians 6:20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.
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All sins are permanent. They cannot be undone. They can only be forgiven.

It probably is a sin to get a tattoo because it is defiling the temple of God, but it is not my place to make that judgment nor to be offended by one who does such.


1 Corinthians 6:20 For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.
The reason I'm bringing this up is because Christians often treat homosexuality or bi-sexuality as though it's among the worst things in the world you can do. It's treated with disgust, bigotry, and even hatred with the most extreme of you. But tattooss... Meh... no big deal. They're outlined as sin in the same place. Yet with tattoos I get responses that suggest there isn't anything wrong with them if you aren't Jewish... and maybe even then it's still ok because jesus fulfilled the old covenant. But all in all they're treated with very little concern. Yet homosexuals get demonized and treated like wicked individuals.

Doesn't it seem hypocritical? Why aren't people with tattoos treated the same as homosexuals by the religious?
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Certain aspects? Like?
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Good point. I LOVE bacon. Why am I not treated as badly as a homosexual? I mean they're both violating the same code of law.
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The reason I'm bringing this up is because Christians often treat homosexuality or bi-sexuality as though it's among the worst things in the world you can do. It's treated with disgust, bigotry, and even hatred with the most extreme of you. But tattooss... Meh... no big deal. They're outlined as sin in the same place. Yet with tattoos I get responses that suggest there isn't anything wrong with them if you aren't Jewish... and maybe even then it's still ok because jesus fulfilled the old covenant. But all in all they're treated with very little concern. Yet homosexuals get demonized and treated like wicked individuals.

Doesn't it seem hypocritical? Why aren't people with tattoos treated the same as homosexuals by the religious?
This is only my opinion. No one should be treated in any other way but with love and compasion. That is what Jesus thought us.
1.- to answer your original question, there is a scripture in the bible that clarifies that Nothing evil that come in you from outside defiles you, but anything evil that comes from within you out is what defiles you.
2.- according to scripture, in the eyes of God, there is no lesser sin or more greater sin. Sin is sin. So to the eyes of God, whether you cursed at the guy that cut you off on the expressway or you comitted theft, is the same.
3.- like some one said, sins are forgiven, but we still have to be cleansed from such sins in this life or the next. So there is still divine justice.
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This is only my opinion. No one should be treated in any other way but with love and compasion. That is what Jesus thought us.
1.- to answer your original question, there is a scripture in the bible that clarifies that Nothing evil that come in you from outside defiles you, but anything evil that comes from within you out is what defiles you.
2.- according to scripture, in the eyes of God, there is no lesser sin or more greater sin. Sin is sin. So to the eyes of God, whether you cursed at the guy that cut you off on the expressway or you comitted theft, is the same.
3.- like some one said, sins are forgiven, but we still have to be cleansed from such sins in this life or the next. So there is still divine justice.


So someone who eats bacon is just as sinful as a homosexual? Someone who has a tattoo is just as sinful as a homosexual?
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So someone who eats bacon is just as sinful as a homosexual? Someone who has a tattoo is just as sinful as a homosexual?
I don't know about bacon or tattoos, but when it comes to acts of the flesh which has no other purpose but perversive pleasure whether is m2m, w2w, m2w, or w2m, or m2beast, and any other sinful act, according to the bible, is seen the same way by God (not humans).
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So christians aren't always consistent. Whoopee. I have family and friends that are christian and I don't hold them to standards any higher than I expect from my non christian family and friends.

Expecting people to be unwaveringly consistent is unrealistic and petty IMO.

A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines. RW Emerson.
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So christians aren't always consistent. Whoopee. I have family and friends that are christian and I don't hold them to standards any higher than I expect from my non christian family and friends.

Expecting people to be unwaveringly consistent is unrealistic and petty IMO.

A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines. RW Emerson.
LOL Do you eat bacon? If so you're just as wicked and disgusting to God as a homosexual. Do you understand that?

What's petty is cherry picking your morality and ignoring the parts that inconvenience you.
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Looks like the key term you are ignoring in Leviticus is "for the dead" - the language pretty clealry says that the cutting and marking are prohibited, if they are "for the dead." I don't see where that states a blanket tattoo ban.
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