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Old 01-23-2013, 08:56   #1
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Minimizing Lead Exposure when Reloading

Let's talk about minimizing lead exposure while reloading.

I'm sure most of us all know that the highest lead expose will occur when we are separating cleaning media from brass. I always do this outdoors. Is it worth wearing a mask at this step?

Some other thoughts:
  • What about handling pre-tumbled dirty brass?
  • What about handling recently tumbled brass, with media dust still present?
  • What about decapping brass, will the used primers throw excessive lead dust in the work area?
  • Is the lead exposure significant in these cases above? If so, what do you do to minimize exposure?
Any other cautions or tips you can add will be appreciated.

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Old 01-23-2013, 09:22   #2
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Let's talk about minimizing lead exposure while reloading.
I recently had a blood test and my lead level was 9 mcg/dL and Kaiser wants < 4.9. So, a little high. I am trying to do better.

So, yes, it's a potential problem.

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I'm sure most of us all know that the highest lead expose will occur when we are separating cleaning media from brass. I always do this outdoors. Is it worth wearing a mask at this step?
Absolutely! And washing your clothes instead of wearing them around the house... No matter how hard you try, you can't keep the dust off your clothes and body.

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Some other thoughts:
  • What about handling pre-tumbled dirty brass?
  • What about handling recently tumbled brass, with media dust still present?
  • What about decapping brass, will the used primers throw excessive lead dust in the work area?
  • Is the lead exposure significant in these cases above?If so, what do you do to minimize exposure?
I don't worry a lot about any of those items. I do use D-Lead soap and, when I remember I have them, D-Lead wipes. Washing hands and face will help. Wash both before eating that mid-session sandwich.

I have read that some people wear disposable gloves when reloading. From my blood level it's easy to see I am not one of them.

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Any other cautions or tips you can add will be appreciated.
For pistol, I load more lead bullets than jacketed so, naturally, I pick up lead on my hands.

I don't do a very good job with lead exposure. Then again, I'm getting old, so lead isn't going to be the cause of my demise.

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Old 01-23-2013, 09:24   #3
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WASh your hands & keep your work area clean. Never tumble indoors w/o a solid lid on & separate the media outdoors. Dusk mask if you want, or just stand upwind & hold your breath for the 30sec it takes to do it. Always wash your hands & face after handling lead based products.
The greater cause of lead exposure is shooting indoors. I limit myself to 2-3x a year. Next to actually ingesting lead, breathing the atomized particles in an indoor range will quickly run your count up. Richard, despite what Keiser said, anything in single dig is quite normal.
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Old 01-23-2013, 09:37   #4
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I recently had a blood test and my lead level was 9 mcg/dL and Kaiser wants < 4.9. So, a little high. I am trying to do better.

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Do you shoot indoors at all?

Do you tumble inside at all?
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Do you shoot indoors at all?

Do you tumble inside at all?
All of my shooting is outdoors but, yes, I do my tumbling and media separation in the garage. I might try to do the separation on the front lawn next time around. It is really a dirty operation.

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Richard, despite what Keiser said, anything in single dig is quite normal.
I don't think Kaiser had any concern but for every thing they test, they have a recommended range. Things like cholesterol, triglycerides, potassium, glucose, everything has a recommended range.

The CDC recommends < 10 ucg/dL for children and the recommended limit for adults is < 20 ucg/dL (although I don't know if this is a CDC recommendation).

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/e...cle/003360.htm

My doctor suggested I try to do better with sanitizing and wear a paper respirator. So, I'll try.

My lead level isn't causing me to lose any sleep.

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Under 20 is fine. No worries. That is what my doctor said. In fact he was fine with a little higher.
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The CDC recommends < 10 ucg/dL for children and the recommeded limit for adults is < 20 ucg/dL (although I don't know if this is a CDC recommendation).

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/e...cle/003360.htm

My doctor suggested I try to do better with sanitizing and wear a paper respirator. So, I'll try.

My lead level isn't causing me to lose any sleep.

Richard
Yep. my point, single dig is quite good, nothing to worry about. Eat more grapefruit, take some milk thistle, all will be well. Two years ago mine was between 8-9 & I cast & shoot lead bullets, just ourdoors.
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Old 01-23-2013, 14:09   #9
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I don't know, casters always seem a bit odd.. Just kidding. Stay away from indoor ranges, wear gloves and tumble/separate outdoors, wash good. I always at least have baby wipes at the range. But like everyone said above, I think you have to be pretty careless to get up there in blood count. Common sense is the precaution I use.


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I remember the good old days when I used to wash my dirty, greasy hands with leaded gasoline.
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I don't know, casters always seem a bit odd....

That is probably how I ended up with a LnL. Glad I got that and the Lead out of my system.
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I remember the good old days when I used to wash my dirty, greasy hands with leaded gasoline.
Or orally prime the siphon hose...

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Old 01-23-2013, 16:03   #13
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Other than washing my hands I don't worry about it.
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my media is walnut, so how would i get lead poisoning from that????????????
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You definitely don't want to put dirty media in your can of copenhagen, no matter how good it tastes.


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my media is walnut, so how would i get lead poisoning from that????????????
Primers have lead styphonite as an ingrediant. When you fire the round, it blows tiny airborn lead particles into the air but leaves behind quite a bit in the primer itself & inside the case. So when you tumble it gets mixed into the media. Tumble w/ that media a lot before changing it & there is a very fine lead dust mixed inside. It' easily airborn at that point & you shouldn't be taking that into your mouth or lungs. It's why shooting indoors is bad for you, everuone is shooting & unless the venitlation system is set up correctly & cleaned often, you are getting a huge exposure to lead styphonite particles.
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I remember the good old days when I used to wash my dirty, greasy hands with leaded gasoline.
Yep, had a heii of a time breaking my 92YO father from washing his hand in gasoline while cleaning parts. Leaded gas was a minor problem as opposed to what chemicals they put in gas now for emission standards. jb
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If he is 92 and managed it this far I am betting he is good to go with what ever he wants.
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If your worried about lead levels in your blood, go to your local blood bank and give a pint. It's a good way to lower it, as your body replenish your level will be lower.....at least that is what a local gun club expert told us at an indoor event.
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Or orally prime the siphon hose...

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Ya that too.
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If he is 92 and managed it this far I am betting he is good to go with what ever he wants.
anyone that is 92 is entitled to smoke weed, cigars, shoot indoors, drink copious amounts of alcohol and do whatever the hell else they want.
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If your worried about lead levels in your blood, go to your local blood bank and give a pint. It's a good way to lower it, as your body replenish your level will be lower.....at least that is what a local gun club expert told us at an indoor event.
Yeah, I gave 2 pints in 6 months and went from 22 to 16. OSHA considers 40 as toxic levels.

Kids are much less tolerant than adults.
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I guess this is one more thing I should have them check next time they draw my blood.
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