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Old 03-07-2013, 14:36   #1
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Grip Force Adaptor

There was a thread on here a while back concerning the use of the beaver tail adaptor. Now that Glock is, in some cases, offering the adaptor....was there ever a conclusion as to wether they are going to or are allowed in GSSF?
Last I had read, we were waiting on a ruling from GSSF.
Did it ever come down the pike?
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Old 03-07-2013, 15:10   #2
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I may well not be current, just going by my most recent Report, but this is what it had.

"40.30 Allowable Modifications to “Stock”
• “Hogue Grip”-type sleeves, “A-Grip” panels, “skateboard tape” or other grip-enhancing materials that do
not materially alter the function of the stock firearm
• Slide and barrel stripping and/or refinishing
• Pearce Grip, Inc. grip extenders only on G26, G27,
G29, G30, G33, G36 and G39 magazines
• Aftermarket replacement non-metallic base plates on
magazines
• Post and notch sights (“patridge” sights) excluding
any sight requiring slide modifications. Please note
that fiber-optic and “express” sights are approved.
You may use any combination of GLOCK-produced
firearms parts that do not result in a significant competitive advantage in the Stock divisions and that are,
in the sole opinion of the match armorer, safe to utilize."

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Old 03-07-2013, 15:47   #3
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“Hogue Grip”-type sleeves, “A-Grip” panels, “skateboard tape” or other grip-enhancing materials that do
not materially alter the function of the stock firearm

Thanks Dave
So I am reading this right, that the beaver tail would be allowed, as long as it isn't or doesn't alter the function (which it does NOT) of the firearm? Or am I missing something? Guess I am still looking for a YES or NO answer. Seems this can be read differently as I just did.....
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The Glock version is actually being shipped with guns now, or so I've read. That would make them "backward compatible" to any Gen4 gun that supports them.

It's just like the '-' connector or extended slide lock, they might not come on a stock G17, but because Glock makes it, it's allowed.
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So I am reading this right, that the beaver tail would be allowed, as long as it isn't or doesn't alter the function (which it does NOT) of the firearm? Or am I missing something? Guess I am still looking for a YES or NO answer. Seems this can be read differently as I just did.....
Personally, I would say the beaver tail adapter DOES alter the function, although it may be slight. However, if it is made by Glock, it is therefore legal.

If there was a version NOT made by Glock, it would NOT be legal.

At least that's the way I would interpret the rules, GSSF's interpretation may indeed by different.
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viper144, glad to help but in this case I think ron59 is giving you better and more current information.

Also, I would think at some point a RO will have to make a decision that will probably count for all matches.

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Old 03-07-2013, 16:27   #7
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I know that it would be ok in unlimited.
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I know that it would be ok in unlimited.
It's a Glock product.

By definition, it can be used on any Glock, no?
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Was told on the phone by GSSF Tech Director, before last falls LEX Match, that the GFA would be allowed on stock class pistols.

Used mine on the G35 in Competition class with no questions asked.


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Who is the "GSSF Tech Director?"

I'll get a ruling Saturday morning.
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Honestly don't remember the guy's name; but when the lady answered the phone and I explained that I had a question concerning the use of an aftermarket item on a stock, competition class pistol, she told me the Tech Director in charge of issues such as this happened to be available and she would let me talk directly to him.

He was very receptive of my inquirey, and stated this very item had been previously discussed; and that it would be included with other non-Glock grip allowable items.

I just didn't think to write down his name as he spoke with complete authority over matters such as this.
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Alan Ramsey, Director of Training and GSSF, will be at the match tomorrow. He is the top authority in GSSF. Scott Gilbertson will also be on hand. I'll post the official answer tomorrow night.
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Alan Ramsey, Director of Training and GSSF, will be at the match tomorrow. He is the top authority in GSSF. Scott Gilbertson will also be on hand. I'll post the official answer tomorrow night.
Thanks, I'm interested in trying one of these after viewing a video of LAV, Ken Hackathorn, and Super Dave discussing and two of them recommending a similar device.
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Thanks, I'm interested in trying one of these after viewing a video of LAV, Ken Hackathorn, and Super Dave discussing and two of them recommending a similar device.
Just to be clear.... the title of this thread says, "Grip Force Adapter". That would not be legal. Only something made by Glock would, and right now they only make a Gen4 model.

Anything for Gen3 would NOT be legal as I read the rules.

Will be curious to see what Danny finds out this weekend.
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Just to be clear.... the title of this thread says, "Grip Force Adapter". That would not be legal. Only something made by Glock would, and right now they only make a Gen4 model.

Anything for Gen3 would NOT be legal as I read the rules.

Will be curious to see what Danny finds out this weekend.
I asked the GSSF people at the Orlando match and was told the GFA was allowed. I used mine in AmCiv without a problem.

Same guy also told me that Glock had tons of their version already manufactured and ready to go, but he didn't know when they would start shipping or be available for purchase as an accessory.

Edit: I was shooting a Gen 4, my brother in law was shooting a Gen 3 and was also allowed to use the GFA. It will be interesting to see if the rules change to only allow the Glock version.

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Keep in mind that very few RO's are GSSF members and therefore not up to speed on rules and restrictions.
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Thanks DannyR for accepting to find out one way or the other.
I know we will all play by the rules, what ever the outcome, but I would be highly disappointed to find out that us guys that do not have a Gen4 are not allowed to use the Grip Force on a Gen3, if just to eliminate the slide bite we seem incur ever so often.
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I can tell you this right now. If I shorten the grip on my Gen2 or Gen3 to match the Gen4 SF grip, the modification bumps me into Unlimited.
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Thanks DannyR for accepting to find out one way or the other.
I know we will all play by the rules, what ever the outcome, but I would be highly disappointed to find out that us guys that do not have a Gen4 are not allowed to use the Grip Force on a Gen3, if just to eliminate the slide bite we seem incur ever so often.
I would prepare to be disappointed then.
You want a beavertail, get a Gen4. But GSSF as been pretty adamant that if it's not a Glock part, it's not allowed.
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But GSSF as been pretty adamant that if it's not a Glock part, it's not allowed.
Unless it's a Hogue sleeve, A-grip panels, skateboard tape and the like.
Or, Pearce grip extenders for subcompacts.
Or, various aftermarket magazine base pads.
Or, various non-Glock sights.

There are exceptions to the "if it's not a Glock part. it's not allowed" rule, which is why it's worth it to ask about the GFA, as it is a non-permanent mod that solves a very real problem for some hand types. However, I can see a reasonable rationale either way.
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