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Old 01-09-2013, 20:28   #201
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Hell even the FBI home page admits that the agency was formed against the will of the people by a couple of progressives. No wonder so many people have been duped.

"1908, the establishment of this kind of agency at a national level was highly controversial. The U.S. Constitution is based on "federalism:" a national government with jurisdiction over matters that crossed boundaries, like interstate commerce and foreign affairs, with all other powers reserved to the states."

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Old 01-09-2013, 20:48   #203
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Impressive. So far you've fared exactly as expected and landed right smack in the middle of nanny nanny boo boo much like your counterparts.

Commendable.. really.

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The Constitution is the framework for our country and government.

frame·work /ˈfrāmˌwərk/
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1. An essential supporting structure of a building, vehicle, or object.

2. A basic structure underlying a system, concept, or text: "the theoretical framework of political sociology".

I understand your argument...but I do not agree with it.
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Now....Why do you believe so many other countries on Earth have laws against illegal drugs for their society?
No, it isn't Nancy Pelosi. You actually couldn't be more wrong. The Constitution is a legal document that, among a few other things, describes in great detail which powers the states have ceded to the federal government. It reads very clearly.

Under your logic, the bill of rights are a list of polite suggestions.
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Ask your President. He is the Constitutional scholar...He certainly knows the answers.
My President?

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Old 01-09-2013, 20:54   #206
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I'd shut my mouth on it forever if you can point to the section of the COTUS that grants the fed this power OR explain why alcohol prohibition required a constitutional amendment but marijuana prohibition didn't.
Still no takers on this, huh?

Never is.
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Impressive. So far you've fared exactly as expected and landed right smack in the middle of nanny nanny boo boo much like your counterparts.

Commendable.. really.

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Sorry...You are so far off the end of the spectrum that nothing I would say would matter. I see what you believe in regards to the constitution - but I don't agree with you at all.

Some of your statements about basic street drugs and their effects on society are also way off. If you want to understand what a community of drug addicts are like, let me know. Come on a ride along.
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Sorry...You are so far off the end of the spectrum that nothing I would say would matter. I see what you believe in regards to the constitution - but I don't agree with you at all.
The Constitution says what it says. There really isn't a "spectrum" until you folks invent one.

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Some of your statements about basic street drugs and their effects on society are also way off. If you want to understand what a community of drug addicts are like, let me know. Come on a ride along.
Forcing users and dealers into the shadows is precisely what causes the rampant crime and violence associated with illicit drug use.
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No, it isn't Nancy Pelosi. You actually couldn't be more wrong. The Constitution is a legal document that, among a few other things, describes in great detail which powers the states have ceded to the federal government. It reads very clearly.

Under your logic, the bill of rights are a list of polite suggestions.
You think the constitution is written in great detail? So much so that 200 years later people are still arguing just that, details....
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You think the constitution is written in great detail? So much so that 200 years later people are still arguing just that, details....
Which parts do you feel are in unclear?

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I'd shut my mouth on it forever if you can point to the section of the COTUS that grants the fed this power OR explain why alcohol prohibition required a constitutional amendment but marijuana prohibition didn't.
Takers?

Anyone?

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Forcing users and dealers into the shadows is precisely what causes the rampant crime and violence associated with illicit drug use.
In regards to some areas of drug conspiracy and smuggling.....but this could not be further from the truth on the statement you make.

Heroin is as easy to get in Chicago as a pack of gum from a store. The junkie going through withdrawal that is breaking into your house looking for items to pawn is doing so for money....not because his heroin is illegal by the government.
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Which parts do you feel are in unclear?
You are on a gun forum. Take the second amendment. Think about the history of gun laws over the last 100 years and all the recent major cases.
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If the Constitution can mean whatever we want it to mean, what's the point in having one? Why not just be governed by a nation of laws enacted by the majority in power?

Why did those folks bother sweating it out in the Philadelphia state house, trying to get it just right? Fools they were.
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You are on a gun forum. Take the second amendment. Think about the history of gun laws over the last 100 years and all the recent major cases.
I'll be more specific then: What portion of the second amendment do you feel is unclear?
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I'll be more specific then: What portion of the second amendment do you feel is unclear?
This isn't about what I feel is unclear. This is about your above statement that the constitution is written in great detail and not a framework for our country and government. 200 years later we are still arguing out facts.

50 years ago today many of the states did not have concealed carry laws.
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This isn't about what I feel is unclear. This is about your above statement that the constitution is written in great detail and not a framework for our country and government. 200 years later we are still arguing out facts.

50 years ago today many of the states did not have concealed carry laws.
It's a simple question. What in the bill of rights do you feel is unclear?
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Old 01-10-2013, 01:58   #218
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The people who scream the loudest for decriminalization are the furthest from having to deal with it.

Those on here who scream about the legalization of drugs and how it is unconstitutional have never had to tell parents that their 17 YO daughter overdosed and was found dead in a Walmart bathroom.



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Officer, would you mind telling us exactly how many times you've had to inform someone, that a loved one overdosed solely on marijuana?

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Old 01-10-2013, 05:13   #219
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Officer, would you mind telling us exactly how many times you've had to inform someone, that a loved one overdosed solely on marijuana?


Really? We've been discussing hard drugs for 9 pages now.

She OD'd on heroin mixed with a little bit of rat poison.

I haven't but a close friend informed the parents of a kid who died in a crash.

Only thing in his system was MJ.

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If the Constitution can mean whatever we want it to mean, what's the point in having one? Why not just be governed by a nation of laws enacted by the majority in power?
Because at least the supreme court has to decide what the constitution means and, no matter what your constitution says, somebody has to do that.

The majority? They elected Obama and can barely sign their names on their welfare checks. I'd rather go with the courts having too much power than "the people." We talk a lot about "the people" as if they are some wise and noble group. Maybe we should stop and think about that.
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