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Old 01-08-2013, 04:54   #26
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and just to clear the air i don't use drugs.. anymore, however i think responsible adults should be able to do as they please with in moderation. some people just can't use moderation and it's no one's fault but their own.
It's their right to allow meth to destroy themselves like that. There is no moral or ethical difference in fed.gov saying you cannot do drugs or you cannot own EBR's.

People have a right to self destruct. It should be part of our liberty.
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Old 01-08-2013, 04:55   #27
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It's a bit much to compare the legalization of marajuana to meth use. Huge ****ing difference. I don't know of anyone wanting to legalize meth.
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Old 01-08-2013, 04:58   #28
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Not a good comparison. The second amendment does not say anything about drugs...obviously. And there's nothing in the constitution that prevents states from being able to establish a law making drugs illegal, versus a state establishing a law that infringes on the second amendment rights.

To me, I don't see any good that comes from legalization of drugs. However I also don't see this as a federal issue. I think it ought to be left to the states. If people in a state deem it desirable to legalize, then let them. I will say that I would seek a state where drugs were deemed illegal. I grew up in an area that had major drug problems and have seen too many bad things resulting from it.
The BOR is a restriction on the Federal Government not the State.

You are correct, states can restrict OR allow drug use. Just as they can affect restrictions on firearms unless directly prohibited by the State Constitution.

The BOR discusses infringement by the the Federal government that the STATE governments created. A literal basis for the 2A would prevent no one from owning firearms, the mentally ill, children, the blind, criminals This was not the intent of the 2A. The intent was to delegate powers, hence the reason for individual State Constitutions to follow similar wordings.
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These discussions never end because too many folks assume the COTUS was written as a bill granting rights and not as a document restricting the Federal government.
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I haven't heard of ANYONE saying we should legalize all drugs, only marijuana.

Let's flip this statement around and say "Yep, let's make drugs illegal". Where has that gotten us so far? We should be treating drug users, not arresting them (for drug possession/use/abuse).
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Old 01-08-2013, 07:29   #32
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It's a bit much to compare the legalization of marajuana to meth use. Huge ****ing difference. I don't know of anyone wanting to legalize meth.
This. The funds spent fighting MJ would be far better used if it went to fight meth, one of the most destructive chemicals out there. The "labs" endanger not only those in it but anyone living nearby. There was an explosion at a nearby apartment complex that lifted the roof off the building a few inches, they man and pregnant female who lived there were not home when it happened and luckily noone else got hurt but the building is effectively destroyed due to the blast and subsequent contamination by the chemicals.
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Old 01-08-2013, 08:33   #34
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A few thoughts:

1. Prohibition failed. . . except it DID snap this country out of a long out-of-control love affair with alcohol. As much as I hate gub'mint intrusion, it actually accomplished what they set out to do - get people to stop living drunken lives. But as far as not stopping the ones who want it - it did zip.

2. "Hard" drugs are dangerous. Making them available WILL increase problems with them. Period.

3. "Soft" drugs like MJ - availability will increase usage, crime and overall stupidity-while-high. But minimally because alcohol is already legal.
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Old 01-08-2013, 08:34   #35
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Looks like what we are doing is working real well

for fiscal year 2013, it'll be $3.7 billion for interdiction, $9.4 billion for law enforcement, and $9.2 billion for early intervention--is actually a pretty small slice of the pie. States and municipalities have their own drug war expenses--investigating, trying, and locking up drug offenders--and those expenses actually dwarf what the federal government spends.

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Serious crime in this country has been cut like 40%. One of the reasons this happened is that we are putting more folks in jail for longer periods. Many of them, if not most, were drug users/dealers.
And because of maximum minimum sentencing laws, the system is forced to early release violent offenders to make room for non violent drug offenders. This is not a solution.

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This. The funds spent fighting MJ would be far better used if it went to fight meth, one of the most destructive chemicals out there. The "labs" endanger not only those in it but anyone living nearby. There was an explosion at a nearby apartment complex that lifted the roof off the building a few inches, they man and pregnant female who lived there were not home when it happened and luckily noone else got hurt but the building is effectively destroyed due to the blast and subsequent contamination by the chemicals.
I'd definitely vote for my tax money to go in that direction. MJ is not that bad IMO. I've seen quite a few old friends, well people I knew from HS, that have had their lives ruined by drugs they were prescribed. MJ is primarily negative for the dealers. Make it legal and eliminate the criminal aspect of it and regulate it. That would be the better option than the road this country has been down for the last 20 years.
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You guys do realize that marijuana is not meth right? The only reason marijuana is illegal is because of early 20th century racism and William Randolph Hearst's greed.

I've never met ONE person who's tried it who actually thinks it should be illegal. Alcohol is far worse.
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none unless they are already into it i don't think anyone on a whim is going to be like "hey i think ill do some heroin or meth" who have never been into it before.
And, this is based on your experience in dealing with how many meth and heroin users?
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I've never met ONE person who's tried it who actually thinks it should be illegal.
You lead a sheltered life.
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Those on here who scream about the legalization of drugs and how it is unconstitutional have never had to tell parents that their 17 YO daughter overdosed and was found dead in a Walmart bathroom.
When I was 17 it was easier to get any given drug than alcohol or cigs. You had to have someone that was older buy those. No one carded for drugs.

I never tried drugs but knew plenty who did.

I wonder how many parents/familiy members have been called over a dead kid/relative due to the gang/cartel violence that comes with drugs being illegal?

How many 17 year olds die because they drove drunk? Ban alcohol?

I dont think the death tolls would go up if drugs where legalized. Most people know its bad for you and will kill you. Kids would have to get someone who's 21 to buy as opposed to just knowing who sells.

You'll always have some idiots who will do the harder stuff. Their funeral.
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You lead a sheltered life.
Lol at living a "sheltered life" while being around drugs.
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You lead a sheltered life.
Ok, let me rephrase that. I've never met one person who's tried it who thinks it should be illegal, but that alcohol should be legal. The only people I've met who think it should be illegal are people who've never tried it and people who think all drugs including alcohol should be illegal.
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I've never met ONE person who's tried it who actually thinks it should be illegal. Alcohol is far worse.

I have dealt with a bunch of people who jammed a gun in someone's face, took their purse and then kicked grandma in the face after she gave up the purse who did not think what they did was wrong either.
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Ok, let me rephrase that. I've never met one person who's tried it who thinks it should be illegal, but that alcohol should be legal. The only people I've met who think it should be illegal are people who've never tried it and people who think all drugs including alcohol should be illegal.
Let me rephrase as well. You really have lead a sheltered life.
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I have dealt with a bunch of people who jammed a gun in someone's face, took their purse and then kicked grandma in the face after she gave up the purse who did not think what they did was wrong either.
I'm not even sure what you just said. You're equating robbery and assault to smoking a plant?
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Let me rephrase as well. You really have lead a sheltered life.
And you disagree but can't really make an argument?
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When I was 17 it was easier to get any given drug than alcohol or cigs. You had to have someone that was older buy those. No one carded for drugs.

I never tried drugs but knew plenty who did.

I wonder how many parents/familiy members have been called over a dead kid/relative due to the gang/cartel violence that comes with drugs being illegal?

How many 17 year olds die because they drove drunk? Ban alcohol?

I dont think the death tolls would go up if drugs where legalized. Most people know its bad for you and will kill you. Kids would have to get someone who's 21 to buy as opposed to just knowing who sells.

You'll always have some idiots who will do the harder stuff. Their funeral.
I was 6 the first time I got drunk. When I got older I would sneak alcohol every chance I could but you can only get away with that for so long. I started smoking weed and doing other drugs when I was 13 because they were easy to get but alcohol was always what I prefered. When I got my fake ID at 15 I went almost exclusively with drinking, smoking on occasion if it was going around at a party or such but I could take it or leave it.

I haven't had either since April 13 1993. If one of my kids was going to use one or the other and it was up to me to decide which it would be weed.
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And you disagree but can't really make an argument?
Argue what?

That because you have never met anyone who has said something, and that you happen to agree with this point, that this requires a rebuttal?

Okay, I have never met anyone who thinks like you do.

There, now we are even.
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Argue what?
That's my point. You disagree but can't make a contradictory argument. Instead of making a contradictory argument you attack the person making the statement by saying "you've lived a sheltered life".

And I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that you fit into one of these two groups:

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1. people who've never tried it
2. people who think all drugs including alcohol should be illegal.
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Drugs are common and readily avalible, and easy enough to get. People will get them regardless of legality. People will say banning it keeps people from doing it, it doesn't. Your rather going to break the law and get it or you will care about your health and wellness and avoid it.
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