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Old 01-08-2013, 09:47   #41
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Those on here who scream about the legalization of drugs and how it is unconstitutional have never had to tell parents that their 17 YO daughter overdosed and was found dead in a Walmart bathroom.
When I was 17 it was easier to get any given drug than alcohol or cigs. You had to have someone that was older buy those. No one carded for drugs.

I never tried drugs but knew plenty who did.

I wonder how many parents/familiy members have been called over a dead kid/relative due to the gang/cartel violence that comes with drugs being illegal?

How many 17 year olds die because they drove drunk? Ban alcohol?

I dont think the death tolls would go up if drugs where legalized. Most people know its bad for you and will kill you. Kids would have to get someone who's 21 to buy as opposed to just knowing who sells.

You'll always have some idiots who will do the harder stuff. Their funeral.
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Old 01-08-2013, 09:51   #42
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You lead a sheltered life.
Lol at living a "sheltered life" while being around drugs.
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Old 01-08-2013, 10:10   #43
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You lead a sheltered life.
Ok, let me rephrase that. I've never met one person who's tried it who thinks it should be illegal, but that alcohol should be legal. The only people I've met who think it should be illegal are people who've never tried it and people who think all drugs including alcohol should be illegal.
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Old 01-08-2013, 10:15   #44
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I've never met ONE person who's tried it who actually thinks it should be illegal. Alcohol is far worse.

I have dealt with a bunch of people who jammed a gun in someone's face, took their purse and then kicked grandma in the face after she gave up the purse who did not think what they did was wrong either.
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Old 01-08-2013, 10:15   #45
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Ok, let me rephrase that. I've never met one person who's tried it who thinks it should be illegal, but that alcohol should be legal. The only people I've met who think it should be illegal are people who've never tried it and people who think all drugs including alcohol should be illegal.
Let me rephrase as well. You really have lead a sheltered life.
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Old 01-08-2013, 10:19   #46
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I have dealt with a bunch of people who jammed a gun in someone's face, took their purse and then kicked grandma in the face after she gave up the purse who did not think what they did was wrong either.
I'm not even sure what you just said. You're equating robbery and assault to smoking a plant?
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Let me rephrase as well. You really have lead a sheltered life.
And you disagree but can't really make an argument?
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Old 01-08-2013, 10:20   #47
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When I was 17 it was easier to get any given drug than alcohol or cigs. You had to have someone that was older buy those. No one carded for drugs.

I never tried drugs but knew plenty who did.

I wonder how many parents/familiy members have been called over a dead kid/relative due to the gang/cartel violence that comes with drugs being illegal?

How many 17 year olds die because they drove drunk? Ban alcohol?

I dont think the death tolls would go up if drugs where legalized. Most people know its bad for you and will kill you. Kids would have to get someone who's 21 to buy as opposed to just knowing who sells.

You'll always have some idiots who will do the harder stuff. Their funeral.
I was 6 the first time I got drunk. When I got older I would sneak alcohol every chance I could but you can only get away with that for so long. I started smoking weed and doing other drugs when I was 13 because they were easy to get but alcohol was always what I prefered. When I got my fake ID at 15 I went almost exclusively with drinking, smoking on occasion if it was going around at a party or such but I could take it or leave it.

I haven't had either since April 13 1993. If one of my kids was going to use one or the other and it was up to me to decide which it would be weed.
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Old 01-08-2013, 10:22   #48
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And you disagree but can't really make an argument?
Argue what?

That because you have never met anyone who has said something, and that you happen to agree with this point, that this requires a rebuttal?

Okay, I have never met anyone who thinks like you do.

There, now we are even.
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Argue what?
That's my point. You disagree but can't make a contradictory argument. Instead of making a contradictory argument you attack the person making the statement by saying "you've lived a sheltered life".

And I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that you fit into one of these two groups:

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1. people who've never tried it
2. people who think all drugs including alcohol should be illegal.
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Old 01-08-2013, 10:30   #50
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Drugs are common and readily avalible, and easy enough to get. People will get them regardless of legality. People will say banning it keeps people from doing it, it doesn't. Your rather going to break the law and get it or you will care about your health and wellness and avoid it.
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Murder is illegal yet relatively common here in the U.S.

Have the laws stopped murder? Should we legalize murder? If the standard for passing laws is total prevention, then nothing can be illegal, can it?
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I don't think smoking a plant and killing someone are very similar.
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Old 01-08-2013, 10:58   #53
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Crime in general is still rolling end, should we end the war on crime?

INTELLECTUAL HONESTY TIME.

Arguing from a zero sum stance is disingenuous.

The goal with laws is to REDUCE a specific behavior/action (such as: Murder, Assault, Theft, Burglary, Robbery, Drug Abuse).

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Old 01-08-2013, 11:07   #54
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Not LEGALIZE, DECRIMINALIZE.

What we are doing is a total and complete failure. All it succeeds in doing is sending people to criminal college, where they get more connections, learn more about drugs and crime, and get ripped.They come back as drug warriors! It creates the uselss dea and other agencies.

We have more people in prison than china and russia combined. There is a fundamental problem with how we address drug usage in this country. We shouldn't put a joint smoker in prison next to murderer's and rapists. People will always do drugs. We need to find out a better way to deal with it.
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Not LEGALIZE, DECRIMINALIZE.

What we are doing is a total and complete failure. All it succeeds in doing is sending people to criminal college, where they get more connections, learn more about drugs and crime, and get ripped.They come back as drug warriors! It creates the uselss dea and other agencies.

We have more people in prison than china and russia combined. There is a fundamental problem with how we address drug usage in this country. We shouldn't
put a joint smoker in prison next to murderer's and rapists. People will always do drugs. We need to find out a better way to deal with it.
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Can you tell us how often this happens?
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About as often as they have to let violent repeat offenders go to make room for first time drug users....

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Crime in general is still rolling end, should we end the war on crime?

INTELLECTUAL HONESTY TIME.

Arguing from a zero sum stance is disingenuous.

The goal with laws is to REDUCE a specific behavior/action (such as: Murder, Assault, Theft, Burglary, Robbery, Drug Abuse).

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Uh huh...now, tell me, one of those things is not like the other. Which is it and why?





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Wouldn't legalization accomplish the same goal, without the huge population of people in prisons?
Well for certain drugs I would say probably. I relate this to marijuana for instance and the 2 states now allowing it to be purchased legally to the alcohol during the prohibition days. I don’t do drugs nor have I ever tried them with the exception of stuff prescribed to me so other than being a LE officer I have limited use experience. With that being said we can see how the new laws affect the states that just legalized marijuana and if it works and is continued to be allowed then other states can use it as a template.

The flip side to that of course is other drugs, meth, bath salts, cocaine and what not I would not agree would need to be legal. Making them illegal has not really helped the issue but making them legal would be a bad thing in my honest opinion.
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I have spent most of the last four years my life in emergency rooms. The amount of money that is wasted on alcoholics is STAGGERING. On drug addicts..not so much. Usually the bad druggies are drunk too. I truly despise alcohol for the amount of damage that I have personally seen it do to families. I just had to tell a wife last week that her husband had severe Brain damage because he wrecked while drunk...you all paid for his care too (his medical bills will be in the hundreds of thousands). Being concerned about drugs while allowing alcohol to be legal is insane.
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Not LEGALIZE, DECRIMINALIZE.

What we are doing is a total and complete failure. All it succeeds in doing is sending people to criminal college, where they get more connections, learn more about drugs and crime, and get ripped.They come back as drug warriors! It creates the uselss dea and other agencies.

We have more people in prison than china and russia combined. There is a fundamental problem with how we address drug usage in this country. We shouldn't put a joint smoker in prison next to murderer's and rapists. People will always do drugs. We need to find out a better way to deal with it.
Can you please advise of the joint smoker in prison??


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