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Old 01-08-2013, 12:19   #61
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Same old arguments.

Prohibitionists against Liberty.
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Old 01-08-2013, 12:20   #62
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Theory vs. Real life experience

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Old 01-08-2013, 12:21   #63
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Nasty ......but......

Their choice.

If looking in a mirror doesnt change em.....no law will.
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Old 01-08-2013, 12:33   #64
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Not theory, individual liberty should be protected up until such actions affect another.

Theory would be stifling another's liberty and hoping it will correct a perceived unfavorable action. We've seen decades of how this theory has failed.

Of course no one's going slay the golden goose.
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Who decides who is a responsible adult?

YOU DO! Behave your self. Society rules aren't that hard to follow. If you don't behave responsibility you come up looking like those pictures.
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I was 6 the first time I got drunk. When I got older I would sneak alcohol every chance I could but you can only get away with that for so long. I started smoking weed and doing other drugs when I was 13 because they were easy to get but alcohol was always what I prefered. When I got my fake ID at 15 I went almost exclusively with drinking, smoking on occasion if it was going around at a party or such but I could take it or leave it.

I haven't had either since April 13 1993. If one of my kids was going to use one or the other and it was up to me to decide which it would be weed
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Good thing it's not legal, so no one can use it!
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The people who scream the loudest for decriminalization are the furthest from having to deal with it.

Those on here who scream about the legalization of drugs and how it is unconstitutional have never had to tell parents that their 17 YO daughter overdosed and was found dead in a Walmart bathroom.




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The people who scream the loudest for decriminalization are the furthest from having to deal with it.

Those on here who scream about the legalization of drugs and how it is unconstitutional have never had to tell parents that their 17 YO daughter overdosed and was found dead in a Walmart bathroom.




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Our family got a knock on the door by cops at 4 in the morning telling my parents their oldest daughter died in a a drunk driving car accident.

Should we try prohibition again?
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I'm neither a proponent of, nor am I anti anti-marijuana. That said, the reasoning for making marijuana illegal way back in the second and third decades of the 20th century was so as to keep white women from fornicating with black men.

I kid you not folks.
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Crime in general is still rolling end, should we end the war on crime?

INTELLECTUAL HONESTY TIME.

Arguing from a zero sum stance is disingenuous.

The goal with laws is to REDUCE a specific behavior/action (such as: Murder, Assault, Theft, Burglary, Robbery, Drug Abuse).

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war on drugs = stopping CIA's competition.

war on crime = militarization of Police

no child left behind = indoctrinating a new generation of sheeple

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Our family got a knock on the door by cops at 4 in the morning telling my parents their oldest daughter died in a a drunk driving car accident.

Should we try prohibition again?
So you tell me what the solution is?

Would your sister still be here today?


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Not theory, individual liberty should be protected up until such actions affect another.

Theory would be stifling another's liberty and hoping it will correct a perceived unfavorable action. We've seen decades of how this theory has failed.

Of course no one's going slay the golden goose.
That's what he was talking about - real life experience.

Almost all our residential burglaries, car burglaries, retail thefts, thefts, etc are motivated by drug addiction. You can legalize heroin, but you can't stop addiction and tolerance. Users will continue to use more and more and require more money to purchase their drugs. Once they burn through their bank accounts and steal everything they can from their family - they will be stealing from you.
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Good thing it's not legal, so no one can use it!
It is legal in two states.

The federal laws hold no constitutional authority as there is no power for the federal government to regulate drugs.

You can argue for a centralized authority and back unconstitutional laws or you can argue for the COTUS and the 10A. There really isn't any grey areas. The same can be said for Judicial Review it's simply a power the SCOTUS granted themselves and convinced you to be binding.
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That's what he was talking about - real life experience.

Almost all our residential burglaries, car burglaries, retail thefts, thefts, etc are motivated by drug addiction. You can legalize heroin, but you can't stop addiction and tolerance. Users will continue to use more and more and require more money to purchase their drugs. Once they burn through their bank accounts and steal everything they can from their family - they will be stealing from you.
Those crimes wouldn't be necessary if the drugs were readily available. The drug laws MADE those crimes lucrative.
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Murder is illegal yet relatively common here in the U.S.

Have the laws stopped murder? Should we legalize murder? If the standard for passing laws is total prevention, then nothing can be illegal, can it?
The difference is murder is malum in se, ingesting a substance is malum prohibitum. There's a big difference between poisoning yourself and poisoning someone else.
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Those crimes wouldn't be necessary if the drugs were readily available. The drug laws MADE those crimes lucrative.
Are you saying "readily available" as in free? So we should give out free heroin as a country?

Users will still need money to buy dope. You think once you are deep into heroin addiction you will be going to work everyday and only using what is on your paycheck to purchase your dope?
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Are you saying "readily available" as in free? So we should give out free heroin as a country?

Users will still need money to buy dope. You think once you are deep into heroin addiction you will be going to work everyday and only using what is on your paycheck to purchase your dope?

Do you really need me to walk you through the process of making something less expensive? Do you really think there is a shortage of drugs or is the risk so high that it equates to greater cost?
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I hope you don't think I care if someone has the ability to buy and use enough dope to kill themselves.
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I like to think of it as gene pool cleansing set to automatic.
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