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Old 01-08-2013, 15:30   #81
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Do you really need me to walk you through the process of making something less expensive? Do you really think there is a shortage of drugs or is the risk so high that it equates to greater cost?
It can't get much cheaper. A heroin bag that is only $10 has the potential to overdose you or me since we don't have an opiate tolerance.
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Old 01-08-2013, 15:32   #82
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I hope you don't think I care if someone has the ability to buy and use enough dope to kill themselves.
But that isn't how society is or how it will be. Because every junkie is someone's family member. More 911 calls...more naloxene...more nonsense.
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It can't get much cheaper. A heroin bag that is only $10 has the potential to overdose you or me since we don't have an opiate tolerance.
According to your previous argument they are burning down the ghettos to steal enough money to get $10. Which is it?

The points still remains.

Federal drug laws are unconstitutional. Victimless crimes are an affront to liberty. A large percentage of prohibitionists tend to work in fields that are subsidized by other peoples money so the motive to see things clearly is blurred by self preservation.
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But that isn't how society is or how it will be. Because every junkie is someone's family member. More 911 calls...more naloxene...more nonsense.
I never said it was singular argument. I agree that more and more gets passed on to the tax payer and stresses the system... until enough of them die off or we stop subsidizing such behavior... and enough of them die off.
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Old 01-08-2013, 15:44   #85
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According to your previous argument they are burning down the ghettos to steal enough money to get $10. Which is it?

The points still remains.

Federal drug laws are unconstitutional. Victimless crimes are an affront to liberty. A large percentage of prohibitionists tend to work in fields that are subsidized by other peoples money so the motive to see things clearly is blurred by self preservation.
Don't take this as an insult, because it is not meant to be. But, this is seriously what TBO meant by real world experience.

Yes...I've responded to murders over less than $50 worth of dope. Yes...Junkies will go through your unlocked car for the change or GPS units just to buy a $10 bag of dope. Yes...your nephew will steal your iPad to pawn and then get enough dope to last him 2 days.

Heroin has a tolerance like any other opiate. When you start, $10-20 bucks a day can get you messed up all day long. Before you know it - you are using $100 worth just to keep off your sickness and withdrawal. It's a nasty world....
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Don't take this as an insult, because it is not meant to be. But, this is seriously what TBO meant by real world experience.

Yes...I've responded to murders over less than $50 worth of dope. Yes...Junkies will go through your unlocked car for the change or GPS units just to buy a $10 bag of dope. Yes...your nephew will steal your iPad to pawn and then get enough dope to last him 2 days.

Heroin has a tolerance like any other opiate. When you start, $10-20 bucks a day can get you messed up all day long. Before you know it - you are using $100 worth just to keep off your sickness and withdrawal. It's a nasty world....
Wanna know how to lower the cost of drugs to keep people from having to steal money to get plant based derivatives our earliest human ancestors figured out how to make?

Or do you want to justify unconstitutional laws and the crime that develops from them and then blame it on something else while personally profiting from it's "enforcement"?
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Wanna know how to lower the cost of drugs to keep people from having to steal money to get plant based derivatives our earliest human ancestors figured out how to make?

Or do you want to justify unconstitutional laws and the crime that develops from them and then blame it on something else while personally profiting from it's "enforcement"?
Going to back to low prices? Again...Theory vs Reality.

Lower prices doesn't change tolerance issues or the dynamics of addiction.

Where in the constitution does it say that drugs have to be legal?
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I think you have hit the limit on what you know about this topic.
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Are you saying "readily available" as in free? So we should give out free heroin as a country?

Users will still need money to buy dope. You think once you are deep into heroin addiction you will be going to work everyday and only using what is on your paycheck to purchase your dope?
The government gives out heroin by the millions of doses every MONTH! Methadone clinics are the governments way of keeping drug addicts hooked on drugs and in slavery. The propaganda push for such clinics being created was that they would reduce the crime rate and recidivism of drug addicts. :ROFL: Yeah, how's that working out for ya?

Hegel's dialectic is also part of the public drugs are bad, but government methadone clinics are good. Just another psyop from the globalists.
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Going to back to low prices? Again...Theory vs Reality.

Lower prices doesn't change tolerance issues or the dynamics of addiction.
We aren't talking about addiction. We are talking about unconstitutional laws creating more crime by their very existence. Being an addict is not my problem, it's the addict's problem.

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Where in the constitution does it say that drugs have to be legal?


The same place that gives the government the ability to grant itself powers it was never suppose to have I would imagine. The powers of the Federal government are clear cut and limited. They are also available for research at any time.


If you want constitutional federal laws against drugs you will need to initiate an amendment hearing and get it ratified by the states or refer back to the states according to the 10A. (That part's actually in there )
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I think you have hit the limit on what you know about this topic.
You mean like your knowledge of the COTUS.

Did you really mean to ask that previous question?
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Self serving prohibitionists for the win. They got mouths to feed to ya know
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Explain to me how drug laws are unconstitutional. Please enlighten me, I look forward to it.

I'm sure it will be much along the lines of your "right to speed" or some other horse crap.


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Self serving prohibitionists for the win. They got mouths to feed to ya know
And we now see where your argument stems from.

Same tired BS from the same people.

I'm going to keep a word document on the most common responses you GNG lames come up with and just interject them at the beginning of every post. Save everybody the buttache.


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Explain to me how drug laws are unconstitutional. Please enlighten me, I look forward to it.

I'm sure it will be much along the lines of your "right to speed" or some other horse crap.


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Amazing.

At you leisure I would suggest the following link. Take your time and maybe bring a sack lunch and some crayons.

http://www.congressforkids.net/Const...rsoffedgov.htm
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And yet apparently not a single federal court, federal prosecutor, public defender or the hundreds of defense attorneys that accompany defendants into federal courts five days a week seem to recognize this argument of Unconstitutionality.
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And yet apparently not a single federal court, federal prosecutor, public defender or the hundreds of defense attorneys that accompany defendants into federal courts five days a week seem to recognize this argument of Unconstitutionality.
Also apparent is that prohibition of alcohol took an amendment to make binding and amendment to recall it but now we don't even bother with that process and let the government do whatever they like. Which idea do you like better?

My vote is for constitutional law making starting at the State level.

Or I suppose we could just continue on down the path of making **** up as we go along until gross violations of the law are clearly the norm and you'd be a fool to protest.

Seems easy enough to me.
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We aren't talking about addiction. We are talking about unconstitutional laws creating more crime by their very existence. Being an addict is not my problem, it's the addict's problem.





The same place that gives the government the ability to grant itself powers it was never suppose to have I would imagine. The powers of the Federal government are clear cut and limited. They are also available for research at any time.


If you want constitutional federal laws against drugs you will need to initiate an amendment hearing and get it ratified by the states or refer back to the states according to the 10A. (That part's actually in there )
Or, we could use the system set up in the CONUS and let the Supreme Court decide what is constitutional or not (I admit it's not as efficient as just letting you decide).

Do you think you are the only person in the whole country who doesnt have an opinion on what is constitutional or not? Are you really arrogant enough to think that your opinion is better than anyone elses?

You like the Constitution as a cafeteria plan. I like it the way it was set up, even when I disagree with how it plays out from time to time.
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Amazing.

At you leisure I would suggest the following link. Take your time and maybe bring a sack lunch and some crayons.

http://www.congressforkids.net/Const...rsoffedgov.htm
Again, you only use your opinion and your interpretation of the constitution. That whole sticking your fingers in your ears and screaming doesn't make you right.


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