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Old 01-23-2013, 04:47   #351
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The next time I see that argument or one similar being made, I'll post a link for you.
So post 292 wasn't implying what you claimed it was.
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The next time I see that argument or one similar being made, I'll post a link for you.
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Nope, but I do see a lot of people who seem to be arguing that evolution is happening, so therefore, your god does not exist, and therefore no gods exist.
Can you not produce one of these already existing examples so that we could discuss it?
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So post 292 wasn't implying what you claimed it was.
That's a leap of faith you are making. 292 is one of gunhavers posts, isn't it?

Speaking of gunhaver, is this one good enough?


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I'm pointing out a new (to me) example of unintelligent design is all. For people who look around and see everything as a put together plan with a god behind it, I wonder why they think this great photosynthetic "design" only made it into 3 animals. It's like putting your best battery technology into a few things and using something far less efficient and far more polluting for everything else. Especially when you talk about that god being a loving and benevolent god, you'd think he'd make full use of a system that eliminates the need for critters to tear each other apart to survive.

Create a perfect energy system for life, place most life within easy reach of that energy system, create pain and suffering, make one group of the critters you create subject to pain and suffering by being required to search for possibly scarce second parties to tap into that energy source, make another group rely on inflicting pain and suffering on the first group to tap into that energy source, make this a continuous cycle.

It's like the laryngeal nerve or running a sewer through a playground twixt our legs. Not the best plan that could be designed.

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The odds I'm speaking of is not whether there are other planets similar to earth, or if that really necessary for life. We've found life in very inhospitable places on this planet.

Just the odds that all the structures compounds and organelles would come together and form an operating cell.

The very first cell in the universe had to have happened somehow though. I make no claim as to how that happened, but thinking about the possibilities is interesting. People that are absolutely sure they know how the first cellular life occurred are interesting too. Occasionally, once they choose sides between ID and random natural phenomena, they seem resistant to accept the other as possible.
Could you please cite any non-theist claiming to be absolutely sure they know how the first cellular life occurred?
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That's a leap of faith you are making. 292 is one of gunhavers posts, isn't it?
A leap I'm making? You said "I do see a lot of people who seem to be arguing that evolution is happening, so therefore, your god does not exist, and therefore no gods exist." When I asked for an example, you said "Post 292 tap dances around the edges of it."

Did post 292 make "that argument or one similar" (your words) or not?
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Old 01-23-2013, 05:09   #356
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Speaking of gunhaver, is this one good enough?
Nope. Pointing out that bad design isn't evidence of deity isn't a claim that it demonstrates the nonexistence of deity.
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Nope. Pointing out that bad design isn't evidence of deity isn't a claim that it demonstrates the nonexistence of deity.
OK, you wait around long enough, and another good example will come along. It's only a matter of time and the odds, right?

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Nope, but I do see a lot of people who seem to be arguing that evolution is happening, so therefore, your god does not exist, and therefore no gods exist.

That's, of course, a very simple paraphrasing of what the argument seems to be.
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OK, you wait around long enough, and another good example will come along. It's only a matter of time and the odds, right?

I grow ever more confused. You claimed that lots of people were making these arguments, implying they were fairly common. You've now offered two supposed examples, neither of which bears the slightest resemblance to the arguments you claim is commonly made.

Are you admitting that your original post was in error and the argument as you framed it is not common or were you being intentionally deceptive in your original post and assuming you wouldn't be asked to provide supporting examples?
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A leap I'm making? You said "I do see a lot of people who seem to be arguing that evolution is happening, so therefore, your god does not exist, and therefore no gods exist." When I asked for an example, you said "Post 292 tap dances around the edges of it."

Did post 292 make "that argument or one similar" (your words) or not?
My words are in the quote. How exact and precise did you expect a phrase like "tap dances around the edges of it" to be? You're being hypersensitive again.

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I grow ever more confused. You claimed that lots of people were making these arguments, implying they were fairly common. You've now offered two supposed examples, neither of which bears the slightest resemblance to the arguments you claim is commonly made.

Are you admitting that your original post was in error and the argument as you framed it is not common or were you being intentionally deceptive in your original post and assuming you wouldn't be asked to provide supporting examples?
I am starting to see the confusion. The statement is one of an appearance to another. Not an exact measurement. And, It does seem to me that Evolution has been used as some sort of evidence that creation can not be. If it doesn't seem that way to you, it's perfectly OK.

The claim that I was being deceptive by you is a thinly veiled attempt to send me on a homework errand for you. Given enough time, there will be plenty of examples that I may or may not drop a link in this thread for you, if I get around to it. Fair enough?
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OK, you wait around long enough, and another good example will come along. It's only a matter of time and the odds, right?

Rather than that, I will assume, based on the available evidence, you are unable to support your assertion but unable to admit it.
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My words are in the quote. How exact and precise did you expect a phrase like "tap dances around the edges of it" to be? You're being hypersensitive again.

I couldn't a good tap dancing smiley. Please accept this one in lieu of a tap dancing smiley. Religious Issues
That's funny. Accusing me of being hypersensitive while tap dancing around your inability to support your assertion, with a cute smiley to boot. Not unexpected.
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Rather than that, I will assume, based on the available evidence, you are unable to support your assertion but unable to admit it.
I'm sure you will. I'll assume you are being intentionally hypersensitive and nitpicking for reasons you are keeping hidden.

mmkay?
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That's funny. Accusing me of being hypersensitive while tap dancing around your inability to support your assertion, with a cute smiley to boot. Not unexpected.
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I'm sure you will. I'll assume you are being intentionally hypersensitive and nitpicking for reasons you are keeping hidden.

mmkay?
Sure, because everybody knows it's "intentionally hypersensitive and nitpicking" to expect people to support their claims.
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Says the man obviously unable to support his assertion. You should post more memes and smilies.
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Says the man obviously unable to support his assertion. You should post more memes and smilies.

This is the "claim" (actually an opinion) post that you are demanding irresputable [sic] for?

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Nope, but I do see a lot of people who seem to be arguing that evolution is happening, so therefore, your god does not exist, and therefore no gods exist.

That's, of course, a very simple paraphrasing of what the argument seems to be.
I think that's funny. And yes, I still think you are suffering from an acute case of intentional hypersensitivity, and sprinkling your posts with false charges in an attempt to irritate me. Which is having the opposite effect by the way.
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This is the "claim" (actually an opinion) post that you are demanding irresputable [sic] for?



I think that's funny. And yes, I still think you are suffering from an acute case of intentional hypersensitivity, and sprinkling your posts with false charges in an attempt to irritate me. Which is having the opposite effect by the way.
Yeah, it amuses me, too, that the guy unable to distinguish "I don't believe deities exist" from "I assert deities don't exist" would accuse people capable of that distinction of "hypersensitivity" and "false charges" when they point out such distinctions.

And smilies!
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Try not to use such obviously manufactured outrage in the future, maybe I'll take you seriously after a while.

Try this one. If asked "What's you opinion on _______?" Is it possible to get that question wrong if you state your opinion?
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Well Cav-Pa has been completely made a fool of. I love you guys. He's been reduced to calling people nit picky because they expect him to actually back up what he says. The same guy that makes such big deal of people allegedly misrepresenting his posts can't substantiate his misrepresentation of other's posts. LMAO. So much big talk... so little substance.
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Awwww, how cute. A pile on.

Do you really think this is effective? The opinion stated above, you're really going to latch onto that with both hands and try to squeeze something out of it? That is very illustrative. Group decomposition? Fascinating.

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Yes... it's everyone else. Let us all not allow this little tantrum of Cav-Pa's to detract from how wrong he is and unable to substantiate his claims.

What do you call that? When someone intentionally makes claims about something or someone that aren't based in truth? It's on the tip of my tongue but I can't quite remember it.
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Yes... it's everyone else. Let us all not allow this little tantrum of Cav-Pa's to detract from how wrong he is and unable to substantiate his claims.

What do you call that? When someone intentionally makes claims about something or someone that aren't based in truth? It's on the tip of my tongue but I can't quite remember it.
What I don't get about him. He said himself he is an agnostic atheist. What that means is he doesn't believe in god but he isn't really sure.

Don't get too bent out of shape because he can't even figure out what he believes in. Take it easy on the guy.

I would feel bad for him but he is a troll too. What a guy!!


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Try not to use such obviously manufactured outrage in the future, maybe I'll take you seriously after a while.
It isn't outrage, it's amusement. I could try to use more smilies in the future, if that would help.

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Try this one. If asked "What's you opinion on _______?" Is it possible to get that question wrong if you state your opinion?
It's possible for your opinion to be wrong.
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Yes... it's everyone else. Let us all not allow this little tantrum of Cav-Pa's to detract from how wrong he is and unable to substantiate his claims.

What do you call that? When someone intentionally makes claims about something or someone that aren't based in truth? It's on the tip of my tongue but I can't quite remember it.
In this case, it's a matter of you getting hung by your own rope again, lying about someone else being a liar.

Here's the opinion you think is a claim.


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Nope, but I do see a lot of people who seem to be arguing that evolution is happening, so therefore, your god does not exist, and therefore no gods exist.

That's, of course, a very simple paraphrasing of what the argument seems to be.

So, looking at that, what do you believe you are owed again.

If this is all it takes to cause you to decompose mentally, we'll, it makes you wonder.

I'm not expecting an objective opinion from you.

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