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Old 01-13-2013, 21:37   #21
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#1 Buck if you can find it, 00 if you can't.

What makes the #1 better than 00 is it has more "frontal area" than the 00 load. (Even though the pellets are smaller.) Frontal area of the shot pellet is what causes the damage as it passes through the target. Also 00 sometimes has too much penetration while #4 Buck doesn't have quite enough. #1 hits the sweet spot.
Here's a couple tests I've done with buckshot:


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Old 01-13-2013, 21:56   #22
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I tried these in 4 different shotguns, a Winchester 1200, good quality Chinese coach gun, EAA bounty hunter, and Mossberg 500.

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each gun seemed to have its own favorite. I was trying to find the tightest pattern for each. In some cases the difference wasn't much, in others it was worth it to pick a "best" over a 'worst".


eta I tried the Winchester supreme "buck and ball" in my Mossberg w/GR sights and it was remarkably consistent at 20 yds. Tight buck triangle around the slug. The pellets were about 2" from the slug and I repeated it several times.

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Old 01-13-2013, 23:12   #23
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I'm going for some #1 Federal (If I can get any, maybe after the hysteria dies down), but if not, some 00 Federal, Winchester or Remington. What's the difference between plated and unplated?
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Old 01-13-2013, 23:59   #24
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OP, This is important. Describe Home Defense?

If Home includes shooting cars or people in cars the advise would be different than is home is an apartment with the longest shot being 10 feet (with neighbors just on the other side of the wall).

Here is a link to some good info.
http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?t=109958

Note that #4 can be buck or #4 shot. Shot is for birds and rabbits. Buck is fine for people not behind heavy cover.

If you are thinking people in cars or behind cover you are now talking about 00 or 000.
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If you want slugs, there is only one choice, Brenneke Special Forces Short Magnum, Used by the most elite LE Unit in America with plenty of real street results.
Brenneke yes, your specific load, maybe not. Find out what groups best with your shotgun.

IMHO, do NOT go for reduced power loads. Look at the gel tests. Learn how to shoot full power loads if at all possible. I have seen a light weight girl do it. The only question is 2.75 or 3 inch. I have some of both. My load up would be different depending on the plan.

BTW, you might want to look into wax slugs. If done right I think they could be a good cost savings venture for you as you learn your gun.

BTW2, Don't do cut slugs.
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Old 01-14-2013, 10:24   #25
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I use OOO buckshot - 8 pellets per shell - .36 caliber pellets.

I like the OOO buck load - it is the same as hitting someone with eight 9mm bullets at once. Ouch!!!
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Old 01-14-2013, 14:31   #26
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I keep federal tactical 00 buck in my 18" Remington 870. It patterns tightly and really extends the useful range of buckshot IMO. Traditional Winchester military or ranger 00 buck has a wider pattern but should still be extremely effective in a HD setting. 000 and 1 buck should be just as effective. I've heard both positive and negative things about number 4 buck but have not shot it. I feel best with 9 00 pellets per shell in my gun. YMMV


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Old 01-14-2013, 21:41   #27
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OP, This is important. Describe Home Defense?

If Home includes shooting cars or people in cars the advise would be different than is home is an apartment with the longest shot being 10 feet (with neighbors just on the other side of the wall).

Here is a link to some good info.
http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?t=109958

Note that #4 can be buck or #4 shot. Shot is for birds and rabbits. Buck is fine for people not behind heavy cover.

If you are thinking people in cars or behind cover you are now talking about 00 or 000.


Brenneke yes, your specific load, maybe not. Find out what groups best with your shotgun.

IMHO, do NOT go for reduced power loads. Look at the gel tests. Learn how to shoot full power loads if at all possible. I have seen a light weight girl do it. The only question is 2.75 or 3 inch. I have some of both. My load up would be different depending on the plan.

BTW, you might want to look into wax slugs. If done right I think they could be a good cost savings venture for you as you learn your gun.

BTW2, Don't do cut slugs.
I live in a house. Definitely no bird shots, buck only and no reduced recoil loads.
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Old 01-14-2013, 22:55   #28
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I like the OOO buck load - it is the same as hitting someone with eight 9mm bullets at once. Ouch!!!
And #4 buckshot is the equivalent of shooting someone with 35 rounds of .22lr. The trick here is that with buckshot it's not necessary to conduct a caliber war that so often happens with handguns. It's a matter of considering a single shotgun blast's potential to stop a deadly human threat and the total area shredded by the blast.

From a purely self-defense perspective I don't think there's a cheaper or more effective system than a shotgun/buckshot combination. It's only up to the individual to determine which load fits the particular circumstances he/she thinks best. From 000 to #4 they'll all work.
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Old 01-14-2013, 23:12   #29
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Do the federal tactical and Winchester ranger reduced recoil 00 buck really have insufficient penetration? From my understanding they meet the FBI penetration minums. I could be misinformed though. They only move a couple hundred fps slower than the full power loads in the same brand don't they?

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Any buckshot will do but before buying bulk, I recommend you pattern your SG @ something like 30ft & see how it shoots. Some loads will shoot high/low or left/right of POA, some pattern like crap. So test a box of 5 first. I prefer #4 buck for the house backed up w/ low recoil #00.
As noted, birdhsot is for birds. The avg riot choked 12ga spreads 1" per yard, so across a room, you get a 5-6" spread & the indiviual pellets alck enough penetration to guarantee vitals. A heavy leather jacket would absorb bout 50% of the pellets in #6 & smaller shot. FUll choked guns, diff story, but then an AR is a better tool than a FC 12ga IMO.
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Old 01-15-2013, 01:02   #31
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I use OOO buckshot - 8 pellets per shell - .36 caliber pellets.
Well, more like (8) 380, 36cal but lighter wt.
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Reduced recoil #4 buckshot. Test some on a silhouette.
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00 buckshot. Anything smaller isn't heavy enough for reliable penetration to 12".
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I have my Remington 870 loaded with 6 Remington 2 & 3/4" 00 buckshot, backed up with 3 rounds of Remington 3" magnum 00 buckshot, and 3 rounds of Federal 3" magnum HP slugs.

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Old 01-15-2013, 12:52   #35
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Go to Walmart and buy any 0 or 00 buckshot they have on sale. That's all you need.

No, you don't need slugs - especially if you have other people living in your house or nearby. Slugs have a LOT of penetration (FBI says they will penetrate a car from trunk lengthwise to engine block, 100% of the time).
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No, you don't need slugs for in the house- especially if you have other people living in your house or nearby. Slugs have a LOT of penetration (FBI says they will penetrate a car from trunk lengthwise to engine block, 100% of the time).
But they are nice when the inside fight is an outside fight.
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Old 01-15-2013, 16:02   #37
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Number 1 Buck Shot is good as each shot pellet is 30 caliber and there are more pellets than in a 00 Buck load.
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And #4 buckshot is the equivalent of shooting someone with 35 rounds of .22lr. The trick here is that with buckshot it's not necessary to conduct a caliber war that so often happens with handguns. It's a matter of considering a single shotgun blast's potential to stop a deadly human threat and the total area shredded by the blast.

From a purely self-defense perspective I don't think there's a cheaper or more effective system than a shotgun/buckshot combination. It's only up to the individual to determine which load fits the particular circumstances he/she thinks best. From 000 to #4 they'll all work.
That's correct - they all work on persons not behind hard cover.
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after checking the pattern on several different 12ga loads and ranges, I decided to go with #1 buck (16 pellets) for home defense. Try it out at your next range session, I think you will like it.
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Saw a ton of that at Academy today for $4.99 a box. I hadn't seen it before, so I picked up a couple of boxes.
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