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Old 01-10-2013, 17:46   #1
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Vests, does your Department/Agency Issue a Bullet Resistant Vest of not?

We were watching the News the other night after the Phoenix Officer, and MCSO Deputy were shot in two different incidents, just days apart.

The News station was doing a fund raiser for "VESTS".

I would have thought that Bullet Resistant "VESTS" would fall under some sort of mandatory safety equipment that your employer must furnish, or pay for by now.

As in the Late 70's LA County were I worked at the time, ISSUED EACH Person with Peace Officer Status, a Bullet Resistant VEST.

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Old 01-10-2013, 18:32   #2
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Yes, and grant money is easily obtained for their purchase. My agency gives $500 towards the purchase of a certified vest.
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Old 01-10-2013, 19:16   #3
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We just got new ones.
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Old 01-10-2013, 19:21   #4
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We are issued
New ones every five years
I wear mine
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Old 01-10-2013, 19:24   #5
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Issued a new, fitted vest prior to the vests expiration date. Policy mandates wear.
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Old 01-10-2013, 20:27   #6
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Body armor allowance. They find a middle of the road price on vests, and allow that much towards the cost of a new vest every five years. If what we want is within that, fine. Anything more comes out of our own pockets.
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Old 01-10-2013, 20:39   #7
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You don't have to wear one here. If you want one, they will buy it for you. $699 is paid.

If they buy one, you have to wear it.

I just ordered this:

http://www.armorexpress.com/Body_Arm...rmor/razor.htm
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Old 01-10-2013, 21:03   #8
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Vest is provided, but if you want an exterior carrier, that comes out of your uniform allowance or your pocket (as it was for me). Policy mandates wearing it, but honestly, I don't understand those who don't want to wear them. Seems foolish to me, but what do I know?
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Old 01-10-2013, 21:26   #9
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I get one everytime one expires. Though, the one I worse humping the brush in the Border Patrol became virtually useless as it actually expanded by aborbing all my sweat and getting processively thicker. Though, technically the expiration date hadn't happened, so there was no replacement.

The days before the water wicking undershirt, where you go home, get off your uniform shirt, get the vest off, and try to pry the T-shirt off looking like a dog with a surgery collar.
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Old 01-10-2013, 21:29   #10
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They provide new 3a w/ trauma plate every 5 years. External carrier is out of pocket if wanted


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Old 01-10-2013, 22:05   #11
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We'll pay up to $1,000 for a vest for new hires, then a replacement every five years. For some reason, they aren't mandatory. Allowing deputies to go on patrol without armor is as negligent as allowing them to be unarmed. Fortunately we are down to maybe two out of our current 140 sworn who don't wear a vest.
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Old 01-10-2013, 22:39   #12
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We have ours paid for by the city. You do not get a choice in vests. The guy who runs the uniform store where we get our stuff comes to our department and bring a bunch of different sizes and fit the vest to us. Mine consists of a couple of different sizes. When I started they only paid a certain amount and I paid an extra $50 for my vest.

It is mandatory but you can get a doctors note. There were three people who refused to wear a vest. One was fired for unrelated reasons and the other two are Sgts. in admin positions because they have significant enough physical issues they can't be out on the street. They are within a few years of retirement.
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Old 01-10-2013, 23:26   #13
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Issued here with replacement every five years. I will not wear my uniform without wearing my vest, but it's not mandated.


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Old 01-10-2013, 23:28   #14
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My employer purchased mine. No questions asked. I was told to go to the uniform store and bill the agency. Outer carriers and accessories are on me though.

I work with a few old salts who don't wear one or 'keep it in the trunk'. Hopefully they'll retire very soon!
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Old 01-11-2013, 06:21   #15
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We have a pool of vests that are issued when you work an armed post. Most are at least 5 years old, and in pretty ratty condition. We are required to use the bureau-issued vest (whether it fits or not), and pretty much not covered by the agency if we were to get hurt while wearing a personal vest (even if it is the same IIIA rating and actually fits, and is NOT beyond the warranty). I think it's ridiculous, and have been pushing to change this without any success at all.

As to stab-resistant vests, however, they will issue those to the individual staff member (usually only seen in Pens and other high-security institutions, though). If you have those issued, though, you are required to wear it daily.
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Old 01-11-2013, 06:35   #16
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We are required to wear on my department. Full-time are paid by department but reserve had to buy theirs. We recently got a grant to get new vests for everyone.

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Old 01-11-2013, 07:00   #17
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What was amazing back in the 70's was we were given the Safariland Morgan Magnum Vests, they made many look like the tire commercial cartoon guy, but some never even bother to wear unpack their after they were size fitted.

IMHO Vests have saved many lives, and should be ISSUED, and Should Be Required to be Worn on Duty.

Someone is selling an old Safariland Morgan Magnum on E-bay. See link.

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Old 01-11-2013, 11:14   #18
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When I started, those who wanted a vest (& gun & holster & flashlight & cuffs) bought their own. It took me about 2 years to get out of the financial hole of being hired.

About 15 years ago, the dept started issuing vests & it became a mandatory part of the uniform. The vests are replaced every 5 years.

It's only been about 10 years now that department has been furnishing ALL needed equipment to new hires.
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Vest are issued here and we have mandatory wear for patrol (uniform and plainclothes). If you want an external vest it costs clothing points.
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Old 01-11-2013, 11:38   #20
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Issued in the academy, mandatory to wear while on duty and re-issued every 5 years. It doesn't matter where you work, whether it be in the quietest or smallest of towns or in the worst part of the biggest city, ALWAYS WEAR YOUR VEST. I really don't understand not wearing one.
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Old 01-11-2013, 12:12   #21
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We are issued a new vest every 5 years; and it's mandatory (by policy) to wear your vest while on duty, as it should be.

There is absolutely NO REASON not to wear your vest.
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Old 01-11-2013, 12:22   #22
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Even as reserve, issued, not mandatory, (assuming they're hand me downs from regular officers) highly encouraged to wear.

I didn't at my first detail, had a sudden hot spell in the 90's, I figured this one time I was more at risk for heat stroke than GSW. worn it ever since, and will wear in the summer, as I'll have a chance to acclimate to it through the spring.

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Old 01-11-2013, 12:25   #23
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Issued and mandatory for uniformed patrol officers with the exception of bike patrol in temps over 80 degrees. I biked in mine in high 90s with 90 percent humidity last year. It was miserable, but nothing fits right without it.
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Old 01-11-2013, 13:29   #24
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I have waited to comment on this thread for several reasons. I'll now wade in.

To answer several of the original issues raised because of these shootings - Both the Phoenix PD and Maricopa County Sheriff's Office provide funds for police officers and deputy sheriffs acquire vests.

Why that particular television channel [I know who it was] was holding a donation drive is beyond me and I am very suspicious as to why they do it. I am also concerned why the Phoenix Police and MCSO will not issue statements that they already provide armor and to allow inferential beliefs among the public that they do not issue armor. No one will state where the donated monies are going, but since the 100 Club is there manning the telephone bank, I have decided that the money is going to them in an obfuscated manner of funding.

I would never recommend that the public donate to this particular drive because of the facts that both agencies provide the equipment to appropriate personnel, the agencies have failed to disavow these drives, and the obvious lack of transparency as to the disposition of the funds, who is managing the monies, and failing to identify those involved.

The Fed OSHA and the AZ State OSHA have been reluctant to ever involve themselves in mandating or recommending equipment to any law enforcement agency within Arizona. Electricians in Arizona have far better job safety equipment and protection oversight.
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What was amazing back in the 70's was we were given the Safariland Morgan Magnum Vests, they made many look like the tire commercial cartoon guy, but some never even bother to wear unpack their after they were size fitted.

IMHO Vests have saved many lives, and should be ISSUED, and Should Be Required to be Worn on Duty.

Someone is selling an old Safariland Morgan Magnum on E-bay. See link.
Does it comes with sideburns and a pornstache?
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