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Old 01-25-2013, 10:58   #21
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Free standing 1.5" group at 45-50ft.
That is a steady hand! What sights are you using? Do you find most loads can achieve this or is it a specific load?

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Old 01-26-2013, 08:45   #22
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I've plopped my 21 onto a bench top at 100 yards and put every shot on an 8" target several times. Mind you I was shooting it a LOT back then but it is super accurate. The inherent accuracy differences are in the barrel as the 21 has an octagonal barrel vs hexagonal on the others.
BTW, the above was achieved with handloads only. 230GR FMJ, 231 Winchester powder out of my Dillon SDB reloader. That powder bar is ingenious and never moved out of the .1 grains accuracy in all the checking I did over the years.

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Old 01-26-2013, 09:37   #23
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That is a steady hand! What sights are you using? Do you find most loads can achieve this or is it a specific load?

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Hello Sam,

Factory sights, standard self defense ammo. Best I can do with training ammo is 1.75-2.2" groups at that distance.

Please note I said FEET, not yards!
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Old 01-26-2013, 11:27   #24
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my 21sf loves 200 lead wc over 4.8 bullseye. 1 1\2 at 25 yards.
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Old 01-26-2013, 14:45   #25
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I have 4 Glocks. the 21, 36, 17, and 23. As strange as it sounds I can shoot them all with about the same accuracy despite the differences in sight radius. For all 4 of them combined I have about 22K rounds through them and the thing that seems to make the most difference in accuracy (not counting how different I may be from one day to the next) is what Ammo I'm using. All my Glocks are very consistent and very accurate and I have the utmost confidence in all of them.
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Old 01-26-2013, 20:23   #26
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Five shots rested at 50 yards; low shot was my error.

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Old 01-27-2013, 16:31   #27
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I have a G21 Gen4 and it is my "under the bed gun" and it is as just as accurate of any Glock I own. If I was active again and on patrol I would want the G21 gen4. Carryring 14 flying ashtrays is the way to go.
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Old 01-27-2013, 17:29   #28
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The accuracy of my Gen4 G21 far surpasses my abilities as a shooter, that's for certain.
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Old 01-28-2013, 14:42   #29
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I have a G21 Gen4 and it is my "under the bed gun" and it is as just as accurate of any Glock I own. If I was active again and on patrol I would want the G21 gen4. Carryring 14 flying ashtrays is the way to go.
These are great for carry:
http://www.underwoodammo.com/45super...ntboxof50.aspx

For LEO's, these look nice:
http://www.underwoodammo.com/45super...ntboxof50.aspx
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Old 01-28-2013, 20:05   #30
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My gen 4 is very accurate, I just wish that any innacuracy problems were the gun but regretably they are all on me. It is better than me.
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Old 01-28-2013, 22:11   #31
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Is is safe to shoot 45 Super in the Glock 21? Can it shorten the life of the gun?

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Old 01-28-2013, 22:39   #32
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Is is safe to shoot 45 Super in the Glock 21? Can it shorten the life of the gun?
Perfectly safe and reasonable wear and tear with a stronger recoil spring of at least 21 lb or 22 lb. If you intend to reload the .45 Super brass, an aftermarket barrel with better chamber support is worthwhile for best results.

Whether it's prudent and reasonable to load .45 Super for urban CCW is another question. For me, the answer is definitely no. Precisely measure split times on follow-up shots with .45ACP vs .45ACP +P vs .45 Super and you'll have your answer. Ask Mas Ayoob about .45 Super for CCW/HD in the Glock Talk GATE Self-Defense Forum to get some expert advice.

I load .45 Super in a G30SF only for woods carry where dangerous critters aren't expected in the area. The pistol is in .460 Rowland or 10mm config for hikes and camping in the habitat of more dangerous game. One of my pistol instructors hunts deer successfully using his hand-loaded .45 Super ammo and a Glock 21 pistol with 6-inch barrel.
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Old 01-29-2013, 00:43   #33
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I dumped the 21 for a HK and never looked back.

The Glock was too thick and clunky and it wasn't very accurate in my hands. I'm not saying it's not a accurate gun because I've seen people print some nice size groups with it. It just didn't work for me.
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Old 01-30-2013, 05:36   #34
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With hand loads my 21SF can chew one ragged hole at 21 feet....
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Old 01-30-2013, 06:54   #35
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NEOH: do you have problems with your HK going randomly back to double action when it gets a little dirty? I didn't care for that about the USP.

When I shot competitively I'd clean my G21 about every 1,000 rounds. Had zero issues in the 20 years of ownership.
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Old 01-30-2013, 11:33   #36
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The Glock was too thick and clunky and it wasn't very accurate in my hands. I'm not saying it's not a accurate gun because I've seen people print some nice size groups with it. It just didn't work for me.
That's an important post in that the G21, it the right hands, does well. In the wrong sized hands, not so well. I would be remiss if I didn't make it clear that in my hands (bigger), I do well and get good groups. However, put a M&P .45 in my hands and I do a shade better.

That being said, much easier to work on my Glock at the armorer level.
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Old 01-30-2013, 15:08   #37
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My 21SF is VERY accurate...One of my best shooters..I would NEVER sell this gun....ever
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Old 01-30-2013, 17:32   #38
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G21 Gen3 here, 100% stock except for the Meprolights that I installed.
The most accurate Glock that I own.
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Old 01-30-2013, 20:11   #39
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I have an early Gen 3 G21 with Glock night sights. It is extremely accurate and has never given me any issues or problems.
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Old 01-31-2013, 13:34   #40
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When I shot competitively I'd clean my G21 about every 1,000 rounds. Had zero issues in the 20 years of ownership.
That's about how often I clean my range pistols. I'll clean my carry pistols every 2-400 rds. or about every other time I train with them. Once I stopped shooting WWB, my guns don't get super filthy anymore.



Since grip/hand size was brought up there somewhere, something I noticed the other day: G4 21 slides into and out of a custom leather holster with retension screw and rubber grommet I have made for 20/21 easier than my G3 20SF. In fact it also fits much better in a cheap uncle Mikes kydex holster made for the 20/21. There has to be some minute difference in frame width since that is what the holster really holds to, not the grip or slide. Could be just the trigger-guard but my guess is both or the frame.
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