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Old 01-24-2013, 20:55   #26
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One thing's for sure - when that sucker burns out, we're all gonna be in trouble.
Not unless it hurries up and does that in the next 50 years or so. Otherwise, It won't be a problem for me.

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Jay and Silent Bob Strike Back, pretty sure I saw most of that one at one time or another.
While I think that's the best one, it's also the one with the most inside jokes from the previous movies.
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1999 - 2005, I was out of the country, and missed a lot of what some people consider "pop" culture.

I've never seen dogma, and only googled it to see what year it came out. I spent a significant amount of 1999 moving to Germany, immediately deploying to Kosovo as part of the initial invasion force, and did not return to Germany, which has limited American movie and TV exposure until just before 2000.

Can you summarize? Don't worry about a spoiler.
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Satan wants to exploit a loophole in God's plan that will allow him re-entry to Heaven, but if he's successful in getting back in, that will prove God fallible and erase the Universe. Satan recruits a couple of exiled angels to help him and traps God in the body of a skee-baller to keep her from interfering, but God impregnates an abortion clinic worker who, with the help of Rufus the forgotten black angel, saves humanity.
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Just about everything we can figure out is through inductive reasoning. That's cool. We all use our experiences and stuff other people told us, (much more often that most will admit) and the small amount that we have experienced ourselves to come to conclusions. Even though our lifespans are an infinitesimal amount of time when compared to the existence of the universe. Even though the most knowledgeable human in history, knew very little about what humanity knows. The amount we have traveled personally is an infinitesimal amount of distance relatively, even if you have looked through a telescope.

Like it or not, the best you, I or anyone else really has to work with, is not even close enough to claim as much knowledge as some claim. Many times, that knowledge is really belief, many times some people hold that belief for convenience or to avoid emotional distress, or even out of ignorance. It's understandably difficult to be unsure. Many people aren't able to tolerate that. It's a weakness in some, and just a lack of ability in others.
So, you aren't going to answer the question?
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Sounds like a lot of opportunity for plot twists and humor.

Did you ever see the original "Oh God" with George Burns? I like a lot of the older comedies.
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So, you aren't going to answer the question?
We weren't talking of any particular mythos. I thought that was obvious. The point being, just because there are major flaws in a religion, even if it incorrectly describes a deity and has numerous contradictipns it doesn't prove that an intelligence of some sort did not create cellular life here or elsewhere. Even chaotic religions with numerous texts, contradictory commandments and too numerous to count denominations doesn't prove that religion's deity didn't exist. People get things wrong, give them a lot of time, and just about anything can be twisted beyond recognition. Their are plenty of short time span examples of this in politics.
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Even chaotic religions with numerous texts, contradictory commandments and too numerous to count denominations doesn't prove that religion's deity didn't exist.
Possible is a very weak word. The Flying Spaghetti Monster is possible because no one can 100% conclusively prove that one doesn't exist. But when you take a group of scriptures that are so flawed, so full of errors and contradictions, and has had mostly all of its claims about the origins of Man, the Earth, and the Universe proven not just inaccurate but grossly untrue... How PROBABLE do you think that deity really is?
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Sounds like a lot of opportunity for plot twists and humor.

Did you ever see the original "Oh God" with George Burns? I like a lot of the older comedies.
I preferred the first over the second, and while they entertained, they were a little too softball for me; the humor suffered from their attempt to avoid offense. Dogma doesn't offend for the sake of offending, which isn't always the case with Kevin Smith, but it doesn't avoid humor that might offend. It's less sanitized than the Oh, God movies.
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It appears to be evidence of a sun.

It is still quite awesome.
In this case, I agree with you. Like many things people claim are "evidence of God" it is just evidence that something amazing exists, not evidence of why.
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Is there even a requirement to worship a creator?
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Depends, which particular mythos are we discussing?
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We weren't talking of any particular mythos. I thought that was obvious.
You asked me a question that required context to answer. If you don't wish to elaborate then that is fine. I will assume your question was rhetorical.
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Just proves that the generally recocgnized God, might not have a certain charachteristic that we once thought.

If there is a God, it is probably mischaracterized generally, for the most part, almost always.

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Possible is a very weak word. The Flying Spaghetti Monster is possible because no one can 100% conclusively prove that one doesn't exist. But when you take a group of scriptures that are so flawed, so full of errors and contradictions, and has had mostly all of its claims about the origins of Man, the Earth, and the Universe proven not just inaccurate but grossly untrue... How PROBABLE do you think that deity really is?
Just as likely as not, obviously.

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Just as likely as not, obviously.

I don't know. Generally speaking, almost always... or not... whatever...

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That spoiler is factually inaccurate
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That spoiler is factually inaccurate
Perhaps, almost definitely, or not... Impossible to be certain, wouldn't you agree?
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I knew there was a sublimina here but could not figure hout how to use the spell checker with it. wierd.


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That spoiler is factually inaccurate
Just change Satan to a demon, and I don't see any errors.

A demon (Jason Lee) wants to exploit a loophole in God's (Alanis Morissette) plan that will allow him re-entry to Heaven, but if he's successful in getting back in, that will prove God fallible and erase the Universe. The demon recruits a couple of exiled angels (Ben Affleck, Matt Damon) to help him and traps God in the body of a skee-baller to keep her from interfering, but God impregnates an abortion clinic worker who, with the help of Rufus the forgotten black angel, (Chris Rock) saves humanity.

Oh, don't forget about the stripper muse Selma Hayek
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Here is your proof right here...
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Perhaps, almost definitely, or not... Impossible to be certain, wouldn't you agree?
I would tend to say that I am 99.999999999999999999999% POSITIVE that I'm not sure.
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That spoiler is factually inaccurate
This is a good opportunity to demonstrate my ability to admit mistakes; you're right, that spoiler contained an error.

Oh, man, it's good to get that off my chest.
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Also, I think it was Hans Gruber who did that for Bethany, not Alanis Morissette.
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Just change Satan to a demon, and I don't see any errors.
There's also an error regarding who is trying to get back in, at least in that first initial sentence (the one where Satan would get changed)

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This is a good opportunity to demonstrate my ability to admit mistakes; you're right, that spoiler contained an error.

Oh, man, it's good to get that off my chest.
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Just change Satan to a demon, and I don't see any errors.

A demon (Jason Lee) wants to exploit a loophole in God's (Alanis Morissette) plan that will allow him re-entry to Heaven, but if he's successful in getting back in, that will prove God fallible and erase the Universe. The demon recruits a couple of exiled angels (Ben Affleck, Matt Damon) to help him and traps God in the body of a skee-baller to keep her from interfering, but God impregnates an abortion clinic worker who, with the help of Rufus the forgotten black angel, (Chris Rock) saves humanity.

Oh, don't forget about the stripper muse Selma Hayek
Also,

Rufus was a disciple, not an angel.
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This corrects all inaccuracies I observed, but is quite likely still off in some detail :

A demon (Jason Lee) wants to exploit a loophole in God's (Alanis Morissette) plan that will allow two exiled angels (Ben Affleck, Matt Damon) re-entry into Heaven. If the demon is successful, God will be proven to be fallible and the universe will cease to exist. The demon traps God in the body of a skee-baller to keep her from interfering, but Metatron, the voice of God (Alan Rickman) recruits a sterile abortion clinic worker named Bethany Sloane (Linda Fiorentino). Bethany saves all of existence with the help of the 13th Apostle (Chris Rock), a stripper Muse (Selma Hayek), Jay (Jason Mewes) and Silent Bob (Kevin Smith). God then simultaneously cures and impregnates Bethany.
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I'm now agnostic regarding whether I've even seen this movie.

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