[whoflungdo]

Originally Posted by JBnTX

Why would you go to a firearms oriented website to argue with liberal gun banners?

Would you go to Jiffy Lube to buy clothes?

I believe he meant to argue with himself...

[Bruce H]

A machete between their eyes would be a far better way to deal with them. Opposing opinions are just fine, but when those opinions are contrary to the documents that government is supposed to be run under we have another problem.

[Gunhaver]

Originally Posted by JBnTX

Why would you go to a firearms oriented website to argue with liberal gun banners?

Would you go to Jiffy Lube to buy clothes?

Um, obviously I meant a way for YOU to argue with liberal gun banners. One that actually works. I know the temptation to fling insults is overwhelming but try to keep up here.

Or you could just keep calling them lazy useless people that need a machete between the eyes and then wonder why they want to take all the guns away from your crazy asses.

[Gunhaver]

Originally Posted by cowboy1964

Good luck with that.

And how do you "ignore" no longer being able to buy a new AR?

I don't need an AR. I have an FNAR and it's much better. But I can ignore any laws that require me to give it up just like I can ignore a lot of other stupid laws. It's called civil disobedience.

Sure, I'd prefer to just be able to buy what I like and not have to hide it but there are other issues more important to me and none of them have anything to do with healthcare. Maybe if you all are lucky enough to get another libertarian candidate you won't throw the chance away again.

[whoflungdo]

Originally Posted by Gunhaver

Um, obviously I meant a way for YOU to argue with liberal gun banners. One that actually works. I know the temptation to fling insults is overwhelming but try to keep up here.

Or you could just keep calling them lazy useless people that need a machete between the eyes and then wonder why they want to take all the guns away from your crazy asses.

A temptation you seem to continue to fall into..at least you are consistent in your hypocrisy..

[Gunhaver]

So today on FB, in response to this crap,

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_2551592.html

"I think that should read "drug testing those that collect welfare and unemployment money." I don't have a problem with either of those ideas. Check them for alcohol and tobacco while they're at it and ask why they're not using that money to feed their kids. Make them pay for the test too.

It currently costs about the same to pay for taxes and fees and other requirements on a gun purchase and carry permit as the price of a decent handgun. That's a right guaranteed us in the constitution and twice reaffirmed by SCOTUS and we still have to pay to exercise it. Welfare, while necessary for those with no other option, is not a right but a privilege. Carry permits are good idea because it ensures that those that have them have met a minimum standard that puts them above criticism from opposition. You won't find a more law abiding group with cleaner backgrounds than carry permit holders unless you start looking at people with security clearance. Best that the people that tax dollars support meet a similar standard so that anyone that wants to paint them all as lazy and useless can be shut down with some pretty well known facts before they even get started.

But it shouldn't cost anyone $20 for a yearly drug test to ensure that taxpayer money isn't wasted? It was first proposed that only people that showed signs of using be tested but that was met with too many cries of potential for discrimination so now we'll have to test everybody. They're starting to talk about mandatory insurance for gun owners and I'm sure drug testing for gun owners will come up too. Sorry but I'm finding little sympathy for those on the dole that wouldn't test positive for being subjected to the indignity of a drug test when they'll have to suffer it as soon as they get a job anyway."

[Gunhaver]

Originally Posted by whoflungdo

A temptation you seem to continue to fall into..at least you are consistent in your hypocrisy..

Well he started it...

[Gunhaver]

Originally Posted by SIGlock

Gunhaver needs alot of attention again.

Guys, you need to learn to stop feeding this troll.

Oh if I needed attention then I'd be all over PI all the time because y'all just can't resist chewing me out. Surefire source of attention right over here.

But I get plenty of attention elsewhere, the positive kind, that I don't mind showing up in a few political threads and letting the fools have at me. I'm a former Christian so rejection by angry single minded people is a second language for me.

[ChuteTheMall]

I'm not at all interested in changing liberal minds; even a gun-owning troll might have voted for Obama for other issues. He's still evil.
I'm far more interested in destroying liberals, especially the hypocrites who might happen to own guns but still voted for the most anti-gun politician in American history.

I have no desire to change their minds into anything other than a pink mist.

[Cavalry Doc]

Originally Posted by Gunhaver

I didn't vote for Obama to help maintain my gun rights.

That's sigline material right there.

[frank4570]

Democratic party platform on gun control.

"We will protect Americans’ Second Amendment right to own firearms, and we will keep guns out of the hands of criminals and terrorists by fighting gun crime, reauthorizing the assault weapons ban, and closing the gun show loophole, "

It's no secret. It's not a hidden agenda. It's the party platform. Voting for a democrat is voting against the second amendment. PARTICULARLY voting for Obama.

[Gunhaver]

Originally Posted by ChuteTheMall

I have no desire to change their minds into anything other than a pink mist.

So you want to shoot them in the head because of who they voted for? Nice. Be sure to put that message out there loud and clear so they know that you're one of those angry right wing whack jobs they're always talking about and among the first that should have their guns confiscated.

[Gunhaver]

Originally Posted by frank4570

Democratic party platform on gun control.

"We will protect Americans’ Second Amendment right to own firearms, and we will keep guns out of the hands of criminals and terrorists by fighting gun crime, reauthorizing the assault weapons ban, and closing the gun show loophole, "

It's no secret. It's not a hidden agenda. It's the party platform. Voting for a democrat is voting against the second amendment. PARTICULARLY voting for Obama.

So you're telling me that never has a Democrat voted against gun control and never has a Republican voted for it? I beg to differ. I have voted for several Democrats that have a good 2A record and I had the pleasure of voting against a gun banning Republican in a recent presidential election. Sorry you guys couldn't come up with anyone better but it's about time you all started thinking about that and quit about it.

[ChuteTheMall]

Originally Posted by Gunhaver

So you want to shoot them in the head because of who they voted for? Nice. Be sure to put that message out there loud and clear so they know that you're one of those angry right wing whack jobs they're always talking about and among the first that should have their guns confiscated.

ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ, Pinko.

[certifiedfunds]

Originally Posted by Gunhaver

Remind them of what they don't like about the government and that they're advocating so hard to give a monopoly on the use of force to that same government... and the corporations that controls it. It's making them stop and think more than anything else I've tried.



FB post,





" I saw this yesterday and I rolled my eyes and blew it off as another right wing anti-occupy jab that needed no further consideration. Then I gave it further consideration. This is exactly what so many on the left are asking for. It may not be what they want but it's what they're asking for. So many times since this most recent shooting I've heard the cries that only police and military should have guns or should have "those types of guns". This is the police force that you want to hand more power to. This is what you're asking for, a police state that you will be completely powerless to resist no matter how far they go because you've happily and willingly disarmed yourselves and everyone else. You're trying your best to make sure that the agents of the rich and powerful get to have the big guns and we don't. You scream and cry for tougher gun restrictions for everyone but the elite that can get whatever they like.

You really don't want to do anything. You just want somebody else to do something. It's just like the right keeps saying about you."

Hypocrite for sure. The guy that votes for Mr. Big Government Gun Grabber for POTUS and wants socialized medicine to pay for his girlfriends medicine wants to preach to others about natural rights and big government.

What a joke.

[certifiedfunds]

Originally Posted by Gunhaver

I think TxGun was right in a way. This thread started as a way to argue with liberal gun banners which is actually working but it's real purpose seems to be to demonstrate that on GTPI the real concern isn't gun rights, it's finding every possible opportunity to ***** about liberals.

Go ahead fellas, keep up the exclusionary tactics and see how far that gets you.

You vote for a gun grabber, you're a gun grabber. No such thing as a pro gun liberal. Liberal gun owner, sure. Not a pro gun liberal. You can't vote for your big government social programs and vote for your second amendment rights at the same time.

I wouldn't call you a liberal, you've demonstrated that you're more in the Marxist bucket.

It has become obvious that people like you who can't understand that a government big enough to give you free healthcare and all sorts of social programs paid for with money confiscated from other people, is big enough to take away your guns.

[beforeobamabans]

How about not voting for them?

[Cavalry Doc]

Originally Posted by Gunhaver

I think TxGun was right in a way. This thread started as a way to argue with liberal gun banners which is actually working but it's real purpose seems to be to demonstrate that on GTPI the real concern isn't gun rights, it's finding every possible opportunity to ***** about liberals.

Go ahead fellas, keep up the exclusionary tactics and see how far that gets you.

On occasion, it helps to broaden your perspective. 8 years of Obama doesn't mean that there won't be a republican back in the White House. Look at the last 40 years. The death of both parties has been declared after just about every election.

Exclusionary tactics are exactly what we need. You are right that posters here are small potatoes, the purge needs to happen at the top of the party.

[frank4570]

Originally Posted by Gunhaver

So you're telling me that never has a Democrat voted against gun control and never has a Republican voted for it? I beg to differ. I have voted for several Democrats that have a good 2A record and I had the pleasure of voting against a gun banning Republican in a recent presidential election. Sorry you guys couldn't come up with anyone better but it's about time you all started thinking about that and quit about it.

I'm telling you that at this moment the democrats are trying as hard as they can to bring a new AWB and the republicans are the exact reason they can't get what they want.
They have proven they don't give a crap about the opinions of an extremely small group of pro-gun democrats.
The person you voted for will disarm you as fast as he is allowed to.

[hogship]

Originally Posted by Gunhaver

So today on FB, in response to this crap,

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...n_2551592.html

"I think that should read "drug testing those that collect welfare and unemployment money." I don't have a problem with either of those ideas. Check them for alcohol and tobacco while they're at it and ask why they're not using that money to feed their kids. Make them pay for the test too.

It currently costs about the same to pay for taxes and fees and other requirements on a gun purchase and carry permit as the price of a decent handgun. That's a right guaranteed us in the constitution and twice reaffirmed by SCOTUS and we still have to pay to exercise it. Welfare, while necessary for those with no other option, is not a right but a privilege. Carry permits are good idea because it ensures that those that have them have met a minimum standard that puts them above criticism from opposition. You won't find a more law abiding group with cleaner backgrounds than carry permit holders unless you start looking at people with security clearance. Best that the people that tax dollars support meet a similar standard so that anyone that wants to paint them all as lazy and useless can be shut down with some pretty well known facts before they even get started.

But it shouldn't cost anyone $20 for a yearly drug test to ensure that taxpayer money isn't wasted? It was first proposed that only people that showed signs of using be tested but that was met with too many cries of potential for discrimination so now we'll have to test everybody. They're starting to talk about mandatory insurance for gun owners and I'm sure drug testing for gun owners will come up too. Sorry but I'm finding little sympathy for those on the dole that wouldn't test positive for being subjected to the indignity of a drug test when they'll have to suffer it as soon as they get a job anyway."

Actually, initial and random drug testing for welfare recipients, and unemployment benefits, is a very good idea......and, while we're at it......anyone who wants a driver's license, or ANYONE who takes our tax dollars for subsistence, ought to be included in that group. (fat chance in hell )

I don't believe I've ever seen any data on this, but I'd be willing to bet the illegal drug users are far more prevalent in the welfare sector, than the gainfully employed. Whether or not that is true has no bearing on the fact that our tax money is being used to pay for, or enable drug habits......as well as buy the votes necessary to perpetuate the drug abuse.

I have no problem with anyone who wishes to protect themselves and loved ones, owning, or purchasing a gun.....the need for survival is on par with the need to eat, shelter, and clothe, IMO.

ooc

[Cavalry Doc]

Originally Posted by hogship

Actually, initial and random drug testing for welfare recipients, and unemployment benefits, is a very good idea......and, while we're at it......anyone who wants a driver's license, or ANYONE who takes our tax dollars for subsistence, ought to be included in that group. (fat chance in hell )

I don't believe I've ever seen any data on this, but I'd be willing to bet the illegal drug users are far more prevalent in the welfare sector, than the gainfully employed. Whether or not that is true has no bearing on the fact that our tax money is being used to pay for, or enable drug habits......as well as buy the votes necessary to perpetuate the drug abuse.

I have no problem with anyone who wishes to protect themselves and loved ones, owning, or purchasing a gun.....the need for survival is on par with the need to eat, shelter, and clothe, IMO.

ooc

Just my own experience treating civilians in a hospital that also has a 400+ bed inpatient substance abuse treatment program (i work in another specialty, but while they are there, all their other medical issues are taken care of, and many of them are consulted to me.) I also see people just living in the community, that's probably a majority.

My own perspective is that there is a LARGE correlation between getting money for not working and recreational substance use. It's a chicken and the egg thing. Did the drug use make them unproductive and lazy? Were they unproductive and lazy before? Is being unproductive, dependent on others, and lazy a risk factor for substance abuse? That's a research project for someone else. But I have seen enough to be convinced that drug testing is a good idea for two reasons. First, it may convince some to go back to work if they aren't being supported and living a recreational lifestyle without having to work. I have no problems with recreational substance use if you can handle it and hold a job. And, if these guys are living on my dime, and they have left over money for drugs, booze and cigarettes, we are giving them too much.

[Cavalry Doc]

Originally Posted by certifiedfunds

You vote for a gun grabber, you're a gun grabber. No such thing as a pro gun liberal. Liberal gun owner, sure. Not a pro gun liberal. You can't vote for your big government social programs and vote for your second amendment rights at the same time.

I wouldn't call you a liberal, you've demonstrated that you're more in the Marxist bucket.

It has become obvious that people like you who can't understand that a government big enough to give you free healthcare and all sorts of social programs paid for with money confiscated from other people, is big enough to take away your guns.

Correction, it's big enough to take away everything, including health care, life liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

[certifiedfunds]

Originally Posted by Gunhaver

So you want to shoot them in the head because of who they voted for? Nice. Be sure to put that message out there loud and clear so they know that you're one of those angry right wing whack jobs they're always talking about and among the first that should have their guns confiscated.

Obama voters are the reason we need hi cap mags in the first place.

No one expect swarms of conservatives or libertarians to riot when the handouts stop.

Its folks like you that will demand their free subsistance, violently.

[whoflungdo]

Originally Posted by certifiedfunds

Obama voters are the reason we need hi cap mags in the first place.

No one expect swarms of conservatives or libertarians to riot when the handouts stop.

Its folks like you that will demand their free subsistance, violently.

That is signature material right there..

[Ruble Noon]

Originally Posted by certifiedfunds

Obama voters are the reason we need hi cap mags in the first place.

No one expect swarms of conservatives or libertarians to riot when the handouts stop.

Its folks like you that will demand their free subsistance, violently.

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