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Old 01-25-2013, 21:37   #26
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I recall shooting a 952-0 in the S&W demo bay at an IDPA Nationals, I forget which year.
The lack of grip safety DOES make a difference... to me.
The -1 and -2 just do not feel as good in MY hand as the "-0" or 52; or a plain old 39 for that matter.
I don't think the triggers are as good, either. That first short run was just like a 52. The later ones are heavier and less crisp. Or at least the few I have seen were.

Now you need to find a cop getting out of PPC and get their REAL target 9mm, the PPC 9. I watched a friend on the Governors 20 shooting a 952 and a PPC 9 side by side. The PPC gun was markedly more accurate. But they won't sell one to a taxpayer. For some reason they build (built, they are a sporadic product, maybe discontinued entirely by now) them on the 59 series double stack frame. I don't know why, PPC is built around 6 shot strings because of its revolver heritage.
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Old 01-25-2013, 21:43   #27
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I recall shooting a 952-0 in the S&W demo bay at an IDPA Nationals, I forget which year.
The lack of grip safety DOES make a difference... to me.
The -1 and -2 just do not feel as good in MY hand as the "-0" or 52; or a plain old 39 for that matter.
I don't think the triggers are as good, either.
I actually like the grip safety, personally. My 845 has no grip safety with the same trigger system. I prefer my 952.

I do love the 52's trigger though.
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Old 01-25-2013, 21:56   #28
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I own a P7M8 and its certainly a great pistol. Its a bit different than a 952 though.


I highly doubt the 952 is any more accurate.
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Bac, i read somewhere that the 952 is tough to reassemble after a field strip. Something about the way the barrel needs to be lined up perfectly to get it back together. Is this true?
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I highly doubt the 952 is any more accurate.
Not sure, but I prefer the 952's trigger. That certainly helps me shoot it more accurately.
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I highly doubt the 952 is any more accurate.
The P7 is damn accurate but it ain't no "match" for a match grade handgun. My cheap ass NORINCO Tok 9mm will shoot all day with the P7 when it comes to groupings. The P210 will better it with nary a thought.

If I try really hard with my trigger control, my P228 and P225 will also match the P7.

After that, I don't have anything else that can hold a candle to the P7's mechanical accuracy, at least not in 9mm.
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Bac, i read somewhere that the 952 is tough to reassemble after a field strip. Something about the way the barrel needs to be lined up perfectly to get it back together. Is this true?
It can be tricky to get the barrel through the bushing. That same thing holds true for most of the Performance Center autos. Most of them have the bushing.

Once you do it a few times it's no big deal.
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The P7 is damn accurate but it ain't no "match" for a match grade handgun. My cheap ass NORINCO Tok 9mm will shoot all day with the P7 when it comes to groupings. The P210 will better it with nary a thought.

If I try really hard with my trigger control, my P228 and P225 will also match the P7.

After that, I don't have anything else that can hold a candle to the P7's mechanical accuracy, at least not in 9mm.
I agree, fnfalman. P7s are accurate for what they are, but they are at a disadvantage when compared to something like a P210 or 952.
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it is nice no doubt but so is the Sig 210
I consider the 952 PC series as good as it gets but the SIG P210-6 in .30 Luger is an exceptionally accurate pistol, so is the Hämmerli P240 in .32 S&W Long (hint for BAC).

Achievable accuracy depends on many factors, from sights, over the trigger, to a well fitting grip. That is were the HK P7 have their limit, they are extremely accurate service pistols, particularly for their small size and short sight radius.
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Maybe for a handgun, but the best 9mm I've shot was my buddies HK-94 (like an mp5 but with 16" barrel). No recoil and very smooth.
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Maybe for a handgun, but the best 9mm I've shot was my buddies HK-94 (like an mp5 but with 16" barrel). No recoil and very smooth.
That's certainly an apples to oranges comparison.
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I consider the 952 PC series as good as it gets but the SIG P210-6 in .30 Luger is an exceptionally accurate pistol, so is the Hämmerli P240 in .32 S&W Long (hint for BAC).


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Achievable accuracy depends on many factors, from sights, over the trigger, to a well fitting grip. That is were the HK P7 have their limit, they are extremely accurate service pistols, particularly for their small size and short sight radius.
Exactly my feelings as well, Andy.
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Once you do it a few times it's no big deal.
Agreed.


The no dash has that big billboard that's not exactly a thing of beauty. The -1 has the grip safety, which only once was ever a factor. I use my 952-1 often as a training gun for new shooters, as a next step after a .22LR Buckmark, because it is a soft shooter. One student pulled the trigger and got a click. I thought it odd, fired the gun myself a couple of times and gave it back to her. Again she got a click, then I realized the grip safety, she was just barely gripping the gun at all. That has never happened with any other new shooter. In a way it was good because otherwise I might not have realized what a light grip she was using.
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If it isn't a G17 or a BHP then it is not one of the best.
S&W M&P 9, S&W M&P Shield-9, Walther P38, German Luger,
Kimber 1911A1-9, etc., are apparently in good company.
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The best 9mm ever built is the Glock 19. Not the best looking, though.

Those S&Ws sure are nice!
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The best 9mm ever built is the Glock 19. Not the best looking, though.

Those S&Ws sure are nice!
The G19 is my favorite Glock, but that's all I'll say about it.
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The G19 is my favorite Glock, but that's all I'll say about it.
That's about like saying it's your favorite shovel isn't it?

It might be a good tool, but it can replaced by another one just like it, and you'd never know the difference. (running and ducking for cover.)

As always Bac. Nice gun. Great photographs. Always good to check your threads.
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Old 01-27-2013, 07:40   #45
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The S&W 52,952 and 41 are all in my top ten list.
I like auto loaders and S&W has made some very fine examples.
They look good too.
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Here's one of my 9mm favorites that will give a 952 a run for it's money in both the "best" and "most accurate" department...


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Sig 210-5 with the standard and extended 9mm barrels and a .30 Luger barrel.

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Sig 210-5 with the standard and extended 9mm barrels and a .30 Luger barrel.
Very nice. I've got a few P210s.

They are certainly as nice as the 952 is in every way.
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There is a certain attraction the 952 holds. Is the version with the large stuff on the slide from the same era as the third generation tacticals? It seemed like someone at S&W really liked billboard style slides. It seems to me that the recently the Performance Center has really stopped producing a bunch of pistols. But I would guess that eventually there will be at least a small run of 952s again. Maybe about the time when whoever did them is getting ready to retire and they want to train a younger guy.

And at the risk of totally hijacking the thread http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/91...49925438_zpid/

It's in PA it has an indoor range
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There is a certain attraction the 952 holds. Is the version with the large stuff on the slide from the same era as the third generation tacticals? It seemed like someone at S&W really liked billboard style slides. It seems to me that the recently the Performance Center has really stopped producing a bunch of pistols. But I would guess that eventually there will be at least a small run of 952s again. Maybe about the time when whoever did them is getting ready to retire and they want to train a younger guy.
Bruce, the 952 was introduced in 2002, I believe. The model without the grip safety wasn't built long.
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The S&W 52,952 and 41 are all in my top ten list.
I like auto loaders and S&W has made some very fine examples.
They look good too.
The 41s are sweet, I'd like to get one too. The 945s are super nice too, kinda odd as they are 1911'ish, but not 1911s. This little lightweight 3.75" is a little jewel of a carry gun that thinks it is a bullseye pistol.

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ps the rollmark looks similar to the no dash 952 don't you think?
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