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Old 01-25-2013, 22:29   #21
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Bac you should grab that stainless one & have one of each!
Yeah, but I really prefer the blues models.

I have an 845, which is like a stainless 952, but in 45ACP.
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Old 01-25-2013, 22:31   #22
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Bac do you know the story on this one?
What's the deal with the big roll mark?

http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/Vie...Item=327220571
SG, that was the first model. It had no grip safety. S&W didn't build as many, so I guess the seller feels its worth more money.

Personally, I don't think it is.
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Old 01-25-2013, 22:31   #23
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it is nice no doubt but so is the Sig 210
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Old 01-25-2013, 22:33   #24
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iirc that was the first incarnation of the 952, which was inspired by the 52. The no dash didn't have the grip safety of the -1 and later.
Exactly correct...
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Old 01-25-2013, 22:37   #25
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it is nice no doubt but so is the Sig 210
Yes it is

I think I very slightly prefer the 952, but the P210 is right there.

You're really splitting hairs when comparing the best of the best. It's all about personal preference.
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Old 01-25-2013, 22:37   #26
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I recall shooting a 952-0 in the S&W demo bay at an IDPA Nationals, I forget which year.
The lack of grip safety DOES make a difference... to me.
The -1 and -2 just do not feel as good in MY hand as the "-0" or 52; or a plain old 39 for that matter.
I don't think the triggers are as good, either. That first short run was just like a 52. The later ones are heavier and less crisp. Or at least the few I have seen were.

Now you need to find a cop getting out of PPC and get their REAL target 9mm, the PPC 9. I watched a friend on the Governors 20 shooting a 952 and a PPC 9 side by side. The PPC gun was markedly more accurate. But they won't sell one to a taxpayer. For some reason they build (built, they are a sporadic product, maybe discontinued entirely by now) them on the 59 series double stack frame. I don't know why, PPC is built around 6 shot strings because of its revolver heritage.
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Old 01-25-2013, 22:43   #27
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I recall shooting a 952-0 in the S&W demo bay at an IDPA Nationals, I forget which year.
The lack of grip safety DOES make a difference... to me.
The -1 and -2 just do not feel as good in MY hand as the "-0" or 52; or a plain old 39 for that matter.
I don't think the triggers are as good, either.
I actually like the grip safety, personally. My 845 has no grip safety with the same trigger system. I prefer my 952.

I do love the 52's trigger though.
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Old 01-25-2013, 22:56   #28
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I own a P7M8 and its certainly a great pistol. Its a bit different than a 952 though.


I highly doubt the 952 is any more accurate.
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Bac, i read somewhere that the 952 is tough to reassemble after a field strip. Something about the way the barrel needs to be lined up perfectly to get it back together. Is this true?
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Old 01-25-2013, 23:03   #30
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I highly doubt the 952 is any more accurate.
Not sure, but I prefer the 952's trigger. That certainly helps me shoot it more accurately.
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I highly doubt the 952 is any more accurate.
The P7 is damn accurate but it ain't no "match" for a match grade handgun. My cheap ass NORINCO Tok 9mm will shoot all day with the P7 when it comes to groupings. The P210 will better it with nary a thought.

If I try really hard with my trigger control, my P228 and P225 will also match the P7.

After that, I don't have anything else that can hold a candle to the P7's mechanical accuracy, at least not in 9mm.
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Bac, i read somewhere that the 952 is tough to reassemble after a field strip. Something about the way the barrel needs to be lined up perfectly to get it back together. Is this true?
It can be tricky to get the barrel through the bushing. That same thing holds true for most of the Performance Center autos. Most of them have the bushing.

Once you do it a few times it's no big deal.
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The P7 is damn accurate but it ain't no "match" for a match grade handgun. My cheap ass NORINCO Tok 9mm will shoot all day with the P7 when it comes to groupings. The P210 will better it with nary a thought.

If I try really hard with my trigger control, my P228 and P225 will also match the P7.

After that, I don't have anything else that can hold a candle to the P7's mechanical accuracy, at least not in 9mm.
I agree, fnfalman. P7s are accurate for what they are, but they are at a disadvantage when compared to something like a P210 or 952.
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it is nice no doubt but so is the Sig 210
I consider the 952 PC series as good as it gets but the SIG P210-6 in .30 Luger is an exceptionally accurate pistol, so is the Hämmerli P240 in .32 S&W Long (hint for BAC).

Achievable accuracy depends on many factors, from sights, over the trigger, to a well fitting grip. That is were the HK P7 have their limit, they are extremely accurate service pistols, particularly for their small size and short sight radius.
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Maybe for a handgun, but the best 9mm I've shot was my buddies HK-94 (like an mp5 but with 16" barrel). No recoil and very smooth.
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Maybe for a handgun, but the best 9mm I've shot was my buddies HK-94 (like an mp5 but with 16" barrel). No recoil and very smooth.
That's certainly an apples to oranges comparison.
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I consider the 952 PC series as good as it gets but the SIG P210-6 in .30 Luger is an exceptionally accurate pistol, so is the Hämmerli P240 in .32 S&W Long (hint for BAC).


Yeah, one of these days, Andy
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Achievable accuracy depends on many factors, from sights, over the trigger, to a well fitting grip. That is were the HK P7 have their limit, they are extremely accurate service pistols, particularly for their small size and short sight radius.
Exactly my feelings as well, Andy.
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Once you do it a few times it's no big deal.
Agreed.


The no dash has that big billboard that's not exactly a thing of beauty. The -1 has the grip safety, which only once was ever a factor. I use my 952-1 often as a training gun for new shooters, as a next step after a .22LR Buckmark, because it is a soft shooter. One student pulled the trigger and got a click. I thought it odd, fired the gun myself a couple of times and gave it back to her. Again she got a click, then I realized the grip safety, she was just barely gripping the gun at all. That has never happened with any other new shooter. In a way it was good because otherwise I might not have realized what a light grip she was using.
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If it isn't a G17 or a BHP then it is not one of the best.
S&W M&P 9, S&W M&P Shield-9, Walther P38, German Luger,
Kimber 1911A1-9, etc., are apparently in good company.
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