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Old 01-27-2013, 20:41   #51
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I own both Colt and DPMS....and I am not a AR expert by any means. But as long as I keep them both cleaned and lubricated, they both run just fine. And finding a complete DPMS for $600-$700 is NOT going to happen in today's climate. You might find a used DPMS upper for that price, but not a complete rifle....judging from the prices I have seen at gun shows, GB, etc.




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Old 01-27-2013, 21:12   #52
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What has changed since 1997? Certainly at least one PMCS is conducted between cycles by the company armorer.
I can't answer that question. I didn't go through basic in '97.
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Old 01-28-2013, 06:33   #53
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i have no problem with colts. i'm just tired of hearing how everything but colts are junk. think my dpms can't shoot.one fall day, i was hunting groundhogs here in ohio. it was a .windless day. i carry a laser range finder with me when i hunt. i hit 7 out of 8 from 350 to 400 yards. 223 is very wind sensitive thats why i can't do that all the time. just like i can't shoot i\2'' groups all the time. but i'v done it on more than one occasion. at that time i was shooting 50 noslers behind max load of h335. i'm not your average shooter. at one time i had custom built rifle in 6mm-284 it would shoot 95 noslers at 3600. we used to shoot groundhogs at 600 yards & beyond. that was before rangefinders. it was up to your spotter to see where your bullets were hiting so you could make adjustments.
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Old 01-28-2013, 07:14   #54
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i have no problem with colts. i'm just tired of hearing how everything but colts are junk. think my dpms can't shoot.one fall day, i was hunting groundhogs here in ohio. it was a .windless day. i carry a laser range finder with me when i hunt. i hit 7 out of 8 from 350 to 400 yards. 223 is very wind sensitive thats why i can't do that all the time. just like i can't shoot i\2'' groups all the time. but i'v done it on more than one occasion. at that time i was shooting 50 noslers behind max load of h335. i'm not your average shooter. at one time i had custom built rifle in 6mm-284 it would shoot 95 noslers at 3600. we used to shoot groundhogs at 600 yards & beyond. that was before rangefinders. it was up to your spotter to see where your bullets were hiting so you could make adjustments.
Holy punctuation, Batman. It'd be a lot easier to take you serious if you could at least create a proper sentence.

OP, obviously there is some heated opinions on DPMS rifles. If you'd like to take a chance with your $650, go for it, and let us know how it's preformed after a few thousand rounds. If it makes you feel any better, DPMS has a great warranty in the event you might have a problem. Odds are you'll never see a problem. Personally, I'd rather go for something that is agreed upon to be high quality for a few hundred dollars more.
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Old 01-28-2013, 07:43   #55
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i have no problem with colts. i'm just tired of hearing how everything but colts are junk. think my dpms can't shoot.one fall day, i was hunting groundhogs here in ohio. it was a .windless day. i carry a laser range finder with me when i hunt. i hit 7 out of 8 from 350 to 400 yards. 223 is very wind sensitive thats why i can't do that all the time. just like i can't shoot i\2'' groups all the time. but i'v done it on more than one occasion. at that time i was shooting 50 noslers behind max load of h335. i'm not your average shooter. at one time i had custom built rifle in 6mm-284 it would shoot 95 noslers at 3600. we used to shoot groundhogs at 600 yards & beyond. that was before rangefinders. it was up to your spotter to see where your bullets were hiting so you could make adjustments.
And the rest of us are tired of hearing some guy, that can't seem to push himself away from the bench, run his mouth about how he's tired of hearing people say if it isn't a Colt it's junk. Then when asked to produce supporting evidence they can't.

Shooting vermin is no indication of reliability.
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Old 01-28-2013, 07:48   #56
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I have a DPMS Sportical that I have had for nine years and have shot 600 flawless rounds through.I recently bought a Colt 6920 and at about round 220 I had a light strike.I took the round and put it in the DPMS and it fired.At this point if I had to pick one and go it'd be the DPMS.
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Sadly, they are not sharing any knowledge, and doing a great disservice to noobs. All they are doing is passing along internet chatter, instead of real ownership experience.
I would disagree. I spent about 6 months researching ARs, reading tons of forums- not just here, looking up reviews, weapon journals, talking to dealers, etc. I scoured everything I could find.

You quickly figure out who is full of stuffing and who seems to have reliable and accurate knowledge. I know whose opinions to take seriously and who not to.

But, that's because I did my homework. I've never seen anyone i listen to claim to be an expert or claim to be infallible- just freely share advice opinions based on their own experience and research.

Based on my cousins bf's experience and discussing it with him, I felt I was best going my AR route and avoiding DPMS among others.

I don't take anyone's word as gospel but I do listen to some more than others. Then look for other evidence to support or does not support that opinion. There a lot of good advice in these forums and a lot of bad.

Due to this attitude, I ended up with a wonderful first AR- simple, clean, sleek, that I assembled myself and couldn't be happier with. Functions flawlessly. Every time I take it to the range people stop and ask me about it- it's nothing fancy, no tacticool accessories, just a nice range plinker and hopefully a reliable SHTF weapon.

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That's a beautiful rifle! I am also a fan of simple and clean looking AR's. Did you assemble the upper yourself, or was it a complete upper?
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And the rest of us are tired of hearing some guy, that can't seem to push himself away from the bench, run his mouth about how he's tired of hearing people say if it isn't a Colt it's junk. Then when asked to produce supporting evidence they can't.

Shooting vermin is no indication of reliability.
Your wasting your time dude. This forum is in cardiac arrest, don't believe me? Try to give someone solid advice about getting the most out of their money on a build. See what happens. Now I know why a lot of people do not bother to post here anymore.
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That's a beautiful rifle! I am also a fan of simple and clean looking AR's. Did you assemble the upper yourself, or was it a complete upper?
Thank you! No, not for my first build. I bought a complete upper and swapped hand guards.

I seriously considered it, but seemed smarter to build a lower out and get a complete upper. Use this one as my reference rifle and then assemble the upper on my next build.
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I can't answer that question. I didn't go through basic in '97.
My point is, I don't ever recall seeing NIW Colt A2's being handed out to Privates for BRM or conducting any course of fire (live or blanks) where we weren't instructed on proper lubrication beforehand, or meticulous cleaning afterwards. They were made reliable by some form of company level armorer, and kept up by end user participation, not by "Colt magic" like you seem to be peddling. And I have serious doubts that weapons cycled through controlled BRM aren't held to some round based maintenance program because of 9/11.

Maybe someone here attached to a training company can share some input on this subject.
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My point is, I don't ever recall seeing NIW Colt A2's being handed out to Privates for BRM or conducting any course of fire (live or blanks) where we weren't instructed on proper lubrication beforehand, or meticulous cleaning afterwards. They were made reliable by some form of company level armorer, and kept up by end user participation, not by "Colt magic" like you seem to be peddling. And I have serious doubts that weapons cycled through controlled BRM aren't held to some round based maintenance program because of 9/11.

Maybe someone here attached to a training company can share some input on this subject.
You are tiring. At what time did anyone claim NIW, NIB, straight from FN/Colt? Your non related (to the thread topic) posts are boring and a waste of bandwidth.

You have no idea of the proceedures in place while I was in basic and have no way of knowing. You're attempting to argue assumptions.

Stick to the facts.
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You are tiring. At what time did anyone claim NIW, NIB, straight from FN/Colt? Your non related (to the thread topic) posts are boring and a waste of bandwidth.

You have no idea of the proceedures in place while I was in basic and have no way of knowing. You're attempting to argue assumptions.

Stick to the facts.
Lol. I'm tiring? Okay. Let's stick to "facts."

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Highly doubt this has anything to do w/ it. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to lubricate a firearm. All it takes for an AR to run reliably is lubrication. It has been proven time and again that M4/M16/AR will run with no cleaning for tens of thousands of rounds as long as you keep them lubricated.

How many Colts are put in the hands of "noobs?" Tens of thousands daily? I was one of them. I had a M16A4 placed in my hands and it functioned reliably even though I had never even seen one in my life before then. I wonder how many new recruits fresh off the street have the same experience. I bet it's a huge number.

A DPMS is a good $500-$600 AR.
Your continuous failed attempts at milspec rhetoric are equally tiring. The "fact" that you claim Colt is reliable on nothing more than its brand name in an environment like a US military training installation, that clueless noobs can just pick one up and start blasting away with no instruction or maintenance support is just as asinine as you many other ill advised and short sighted posts. But I do applaud your consistency in which every time you are questioned and cannot back up what you say, you go directly into diversionary tactics to hide the fact that you really have nothing worthwhile to contribute except what you read already posted from like-minded self appointed authorities..... OR your over-inflated ego once again outweighed your weak cognitive skills.
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i'm just tired of hearing how everything but colts are junk.
Please provide a link to where somebody on this sub forum said that.
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Lol. I'm tiring? Okay. Let's stick to "facts."



Your continuous failed attempts at milspec rhetoric are equally tiring. The "fact" that you claim Colt is reliable on nothing more than its brand name in an environment like a US military training installation, that clueless noobs can just pick one up and start blasting away with no instruction or maintenance support is just as asinine as you many other ill advised and short sighted posts. But I do applaud your consistency in which every time you are questioned and cannot back up what you say, you go directly into diversionary tactics to hide the fact that you really have nothing worthwhile to contribute except what you read already posted from like-minded self appointed authorities..... OR your over-inflated ego once again outweighed your weak cognitive skills.
LOL, I love it when people start slinging insults. It's an indicator that they're having a hard time keeping their head above water.

I'm curious. Doesn't one have to openly state they are an authority in order to be a self appointed authority? I have yet to see this done.
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LOL, I love it when people start slinging insults. It's an indicator that they're having a hard time keeping their head above water.

I'm curious. Doesn't one have to openly state they are an authority in order to be a self appointed authority? I have yet to see this done.
Which part was an insult? You have proven time and time again to blow simple things that you either misunderstand or a threat to your ego out of proportion.
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Which part was an insult? You have proven time and time again to blow simple things that you either misunderstand or a threat to your ego out of proportion.
As my 4 y/o would say, "Boring."
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As my 4 y/o would say, "Boring."
Sounds like you hear that a lot yourself. And just like a 4 year old, you think getting the last word in wins an argument. No matter how irrelevant or childish it is.
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Sounds like you hear that a lot yourself. And just like a 4 year old, you think getting the last word in wins an argument. No matter how irrelevant or childish it is.
LOL. Says ^this guy.
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MY SHTF rifle is a DPMS Panther - was a Alameda County Sheriff police trade-in from their SWAT group. Couple thousand rounds and just as reliable as my other "brand" ARs.
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MY SHTF rifle is a DPMS Panther - was a Alameda County Sheriff police trade-in from their SWAT group. Couple thousand rounds and just as reliable as my other "brand" ARs.
In what capasity are these just as reliable?
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In what capasity are these just as reliable?
In what capacity are they not?
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MY SHTF rifle is a DPMS Panther - was a Alameda County Sheriff police trade-in from their SWAT group. Couple thousand rounds and just as reliable as my other "brand" ARs.
After SHTF couldn't take anything else seriously. Ever wonder why it was a trade in?


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When they are used as the weapon system was designed. There are exceptions but it is usually the case.
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Old 02-03-2013, 16:55   #75
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I got a DPMS from them (as in picked up in Princeton IIRC at the place they put them together. Test fired after assembled infront of me.
Yep it will jam. (if you are shooting left side under SUV and don't keep it far enough above ground for fired brass to clear) OPPS
When they moved there was a period where QC did suffer. As others said they were very willing to make things right. (and unhappy this happened)
Its true a area dept bought DPMS and had a issue (with one) IIRC they called it the "kitty kat" It was a full auto SBR with 7" barrel. It was never 100% They (DPMS) finally talked them into accepting a 10" version that was reliable.(on full auto) with the ammo the dept used. (and I don't recall what that was)
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