Glock 23 Accuracy - Page 2

MajorD · 02-02-2013, 18:12

There is simply no comparison between a stock glock and a fitted 1911 it is an apples to oranges comparison. I can shoot a glock pretty well 4 inch or less groups at speed at 25 yards with my glock, but with a tuned 1911 can cut that by half and especially when you extend the range to say 50 yards the difference between a tuned 1911 and a glock is extreme. I can hold under 5 inch groups at 50 with a 1911 or revolver but can barely do 10 inches with a glock.
I still do carry a glock often and have complete confidence in it getting the job done given the extreme close ranges at which a ccw fight would occur.
They are different guns for different jobs is all

SargeMO · 02-02-2013, 18:37

Since the thread was titled 'Glock 23 Accuracy' and immediately compared it with a 1911, I'll offer an observation regarding the mechanical accuracy of the two. Assuming good ammunition, practically any 1911 can be easily made to keep 5 shots under 4" at 50 yards, shooting from a rest. Good 1911's, like the Colts, better-grade Springfields etc. will do it right out of the box.

I've benched a number of Glocks at that distance, including several 23's, and they would almost universally shoot to the standard mentioned above. So unless you're talking about a hard-fit match 1911--meaning 10 shots in under 2" at 50 yards--then I consider a good rack-grade 1911 and typical Glock to be equally accurate, in the mechanical sense.

The 1911's trigger is usually conductive to better shooting and it's more natural grip angle gives it an edge as well. If you doubt this, stand off at 50 yards and shoot a ten shot group with each, one handed. The target will tell you which one has the 'shootability' advantage.

bwvan · 02-02-2013, 19:41

Hawker Man's groups are not atypical of the type of accuracy to expect from a .40 S&W once you learn the proper trigger control. You do not give up accuracy with a .40. Very nice shooting Hawk.

DannyB · 02-02-2013, 19:45

I just think it is an individual thing. I have been handgunning for about forty years and have owned at least one or more of every name brand including a handful of 1911's. I shoot a Glock better than anything else I have ever owned in a larger caliber that 22.

In theory one should shoot a quality single action better. But like I said, it is an individual thing.

davsco · 02-02-2013, 20:29

consider lightening your glock's trigger a little - check out a "-" connector and the glockworx 3 spring trigger lightening kit. don't worry, it's nowhere a 'hair' trigger but will be lighter and easier to pull. for me, trigger is everything. vs a full size 1911, the glock 23 has a shorter sight radius also.

Scrappy · 02-02-2013, 20:44

Good Read
http://www.handgunsmag.com/2010/09/2...g_shot_022305/

Glock Junkie · 02-02-2013, 21:57

Just practice and you will shoot your 23 better. I started shooting Glocks a year ago and had not shot a pistol in over 20 years. I have come along way in the year and can do well with any caliber Glock in my hands, especially a 40 cal.

Steel Head · 02-02-2013, 22:32

I bought my first Glock in the early 90's.
A barn door at 25 feet was safe from me with it.

Sold it but bought another about 5 year ago and read up on shooting Glocks here and other sources.

Helped tremendously

With some frequent practice I can hit my 100yrd plate pretty regularly (G23) but I have to stay practiced with Glocks,with my 1911 or .22 pistol hitting that plate is a slam dunk.

sigman69 · 02-02-2013, 22:55

Quote:

A Kimber is what you show your friends.
A Glock is what you show your enemies.

great saying...wait that is tag line

Cwlongshot · 02-03-2013, 05:32

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Originally Posted by Bren

Practice will help a little, but learning to shoot, then practicing the correct technique will help a lot. My guess, from the post, is that you have no training - the 1911 is a heavy gun with a very short, light trigger that always shoots single action - it is the most forgiving of bad technique of just about any semi-auto. The Glock is entirely different and requires a different trigger control technique to minimize movement off target as you squeeze the trigger. Just shooting more won't help much unless you learn and use a valid technique when you practice. There is more than 1 way to do it, but you aren't likely to get it right without a real instructor to teach you.

Again, I'm giving advice in General Glocking, before I looked at which forum this thread was in, so be prepared for a lot of BS from newbs who will tell you to learn from youtube, like a real mall ninja.

IMHO, Bren Nailed this!!

The Glock CAN be a excellent shooter... JUST AS GOOD as a 1911 in proper hands.

Both of these where fired at 15 yards offhand.

Just as a comparison, here is two mags full, fired as fast as sites came back on target. Again at 15 yards Glock 23 with Federal 165 XTP ammo.

CW

Hamrhed · 02-03-2013, 10:23

CW- is your G23 stock?

MrLawless1 · 02-04-2013, 00:16

Like most have said, the difference in weight seems to help improve accuracy, but practice is the best policy.

I will run through 75 shots with my Glock 23, getting some decent groups, the. Switch over to my Kimber 1911 and be all over the place. So, for me, shooting them is NOT the same discipline: perhaps like knowing/practicing two similar martial arts or two languages. Similar, but decidedly NOT the same.

All the best!!! Enjoy your time at the range.

Cwlongshot · 02-04-2013, 03:22

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Originally Posted by Hamrhed

CW- is your G23 stock?

I have Wollfe recoil spring, STS captured guide rod and grip tape. Otherwise yes stock...

Stock barrel and trigger. I bought the standard array of add on's dis-connector, heavier trigger spring etc. But after trying them removed them. AS this is a carry gun, I wanted to keep as stock as is defendable.

CW

ithaca_deerslayer · 02-04-2013, 06:20

Surprise break.

That's what you need to look up and understand. A stock Glock will shoot just as well as the typical 1911

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***Gallium*** · 02-04-2013, 06:39

When shooting fundamentals are understood, these questions of "gun accuracy" become almost academic.

Yes, a 1911 is inherently more accurate than a Glock - by design, due to it's tighter tolerances, and a Glock is inherently more reliable than a 1911, also by design.

A SIG P210 beats a generic 1911 in both the accuracy and reliability departments, and beats most 1911s in the reliability dept.

Bren et al have already pointed out some of the things that make a 1911 more fun to shoot, easier to grip, and easier to press the trigger, compared to a Glock.

SargeMO · 02-04-2013, 21:32

When properly assembled they are equally accurate, at least to 50 yards. I've benched enough rack grade examples of each to be confident of this. Convince me with benched groups.

cadillacguns · 02-05-2013, 03:36

My beat up used LEO trade in EDC G-23 is my most accurate Glock

go figure?!?

GKglock324 · 02-05-2013, 04:55

As someone mentioned before..a Glock can be just as accurate as any 1911, with practice. It's all in the hand. Here is a practice drill my Uncle taught me years ago...
Get some snap caps (dummy rounds), or just dry fire it, but before you do, place a round on the end of your barrel up next to your front sight...|_| primer side down of course, and practice steady aiming and pulling the trigger without the round falling off. Sounds old school, but it helps. If it falls off, your twitching too much anticipating the recoil, or you are jerking the trigger. Try it. Hope this helps.

Citadel15L · 02-05-2013, 18:41

There's no substitute for practice.

Glock 23 At 230 Yards - YouTube

glock2740 · 02-05-2013, 19:13

I can shoot one hole one shot groups at 100 yards off hand with my G23 all day long.

ithaca_deerslayer · 02-05-2013, 19:33

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Originally Posted by glock2740

I can shoot one hole one shot groups at 100 yards off hand with my G23 all day long.

I can't do that with my 17. My 1 shot groups usually start to spread apart past 25 yards.

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Chesafreak · 02-05-2013, 19:47

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Originally Posted by WVShooer

I've read these forums for a few years now, but this is my first post. I have a Glock 23 Gen 4 and love everything about it. I went to the range with a friend last week and shot his Kimber 1911. I was much more accurate with his gun than my own. Will practice make me more proficient with my Glock, or will the 1911 always shoot more accurate?

The ticket to being a good shot with any handgun is to
rotate your grip either more clockwise or counter clockwise around the grip while dry firing at a point on the wall until you find that sweet spot where the trigger pull is straight back with no front sight movement on the break. Then from there its lots of dry firing to build muscle memory in getting your grip anchored the same way every time.

Ideally, the bore should be inline with your forearm for best handgun fit. I find that to get a straight back trigger pull and a tight group with a Glock, I have to rotate my hand more around the grip counter-clockwise so that with a two handed grip the Glock is at the top of a triangle formed with my forearms. With a 1911 I can grip with the bore inline with my forearm becuase you don't have to reach as far for the trigger.