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Old 01-29-2013, 20:41   #26
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exactly!

factories wouldn't take a chance of sitting on inventory with the chance of a ban being rammed through, and getting stuck with it, knowing it's at least a decade before they can move it out. that's be business suicide.
Not sure about that. Many AR15 companies also sell to .MIL/LE so even if a AWB bans happens they could still sell their increased stock to them over time.
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Old 01-29-2013, 20:44   #27
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I know a good number of folks who were pushed over the line to AR purchases just barely, and were borderline able to afford it.

I am seeing a glut on the private market in the near future, a lot of folks do not have the financial wherewithal to buy and hold all these guns and accessories.

My personal forecast is after all the tax return money gets spent, a bunch of dumbasses wives and girlfriends are gonna say "sell that thing!, rent is due!"
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Old 01-29-2013, 21:03   #28
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Let us not forget the thousands of rifles and thousands upon thousands of rounds of ammunition that Obama bought for his private army (Homeland Security).
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Old 01-30-2013, 05:34   #29
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Economics 101
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Supply & Demand

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This is what happens when supply is far less than demand. You get an exponential increase in demand with a hoarding mentality. Classic. Those who lived through the 94 gun grab are leading the charge.
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Old 01-30-2013, 05:46   #30
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http://directorblue.blogspot.com/201...ustry.html?m=1

Interesting read on the current state of the industry.
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Old 01-30-2013, 12:10   #31
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It really isn't as good a time to be in the gun business as people think. Retail is about having a flow of product in and out of the business. Most of the smaller shops especially have a reasonable supply on hand and replace it as it gets sold. The problem now is the product just is not coming in as it is all allocated to the very large places. The prices are going up not because of trying to gouge and screw the customer over but because you have no choice but to get what you can while you can and hope you can hold on till stuff becomes available. Right now basically all the center fire handguns are out of stock, the ruger 22s are all allocated, ammo is allocated and hard to get. About all you can find from the distributors now is just junk that your probably going to be sitting on for a while. It is not all ordering everything you want in and sitting there counting money hand over fist
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Old 01-30-2013, 13:50   #32
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Whittaker guns in Kentucky posts daily the AR type weapons they have received. A few hours after they open they post that they are sold out. People wait in line for hours every day to buy and what is not sold onsite they open to phone orders. The prices are normal and they sell out every day. There are always guns available at high prices but if you want regular prices you will have to wait in line.
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Interesting read on the current state of the industry.

"This isnít a society stocking up on certain guns because they fear they may be banned. This is a society preparing for war."

Chilling line to say the least.
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Old 01-31-2013, 16:24   #34
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There was plenty on the shelves and people bought it all faster than the the manufacturers and distributors could replace it, simple as that. I wasn't aware there was anybody who didn't already know that, but it doesn't require any complex explanation - even places as filled with AR's and such as Bud's sold out.
Like before Wally world decided to only allow one AR purchase per person per day. One manager told em a fella was buying all they had in stock every shipment and one weekend he found out why. The guy was selling the same Colts, DPMS and Sig rifles at the gun shows for 3 times what he paid.

I would venture to guess that a good chunk of everything that is purchased is done so strictly to resale at inflated prices. Or how all the LE distributors also supply LGSs and sold everything they had in stock repeatedly over and over to them because the LGSs can't keep anything on the shelf more than a day.

It is pretty easy to figure out.
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My personal forecast is after all the tax return money gets spent, a bunch of dumbasses wives and girlfriends are gonna say "sell that thing!, rent is due!"
personally, i'm looking forward to that day.
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So I've been thinking about the reasons why everyone is out of stock on everything.. Here's my explanation.

Reason 1: There was never that much available in the first place. I mean not every day someone goes out and drops 1k + on a EBR or related components. Sometimes there's a waiting list to get your stuff even without the madness that ensued after Sandy Hook. I mean yes, there is a reasonable amount of rifles out there for normal sales, but if panic hits, everything dries up and it takes time to spin up production.

Reason 2: With prices artificially inflated, there's no real reason for manufacturers to increase production. If I can sell a lower for 300 vs. 85, why would I ever make more than I need to maintain that profit margin?

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Larger stores and dealers had stock and if you are looking at this price increase, it is being driven by the people in the middle. Pmag is still selling their stuff for pre Sandy Hook prices, Academy Sports still gets their stuff for the same price from Sig and DPMS and they haven't gouged yet.
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It's gonna be a long time before things level out. But when they do, it will be at a much higher level than in the recent past.
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It's gonna be a long time before things level out. But when they do, it will be at a much higher level than in the recent past.
Oddly enough that is the one thing I do hold out some hope for. While I definitely think it will be a good year (or more) before the buying spree subsides, I think prices will come back down.

We all kind of said the same thing when Obama got elected but just before CT prices were dang cheap, cheaper than before his election. Every store and his brother had cases of 5.56, heck even Dick's Sporting Goods started carrying cases of AE Tactical, Wolf Military Classic and the like.

I think prices will come back to November 2012 levels but it will take a heck of a long time to work through all the back orders.

I don't expect much stock overrun either, since all these manufacturers should be pretty good at working with retailers to gauge existing backorder demand.

Guess we'll see!

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"This isnít a society stocking up on certain guns because they fear they may be banned. This is a society preparing for war."

Chilling line to say the least.
Very chilling indeed.
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Old 02-01-2013, 20:21   #41
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Exactly...

When prices are high supply will follow. ALWAYS

There's such a fundamental lack of economic education on display here at times that it no longer shocks me.
Agreed. The ignorance almost makes one want to quit the www or certain sites.

I absolutely hate price gouging scum but it isnt at the large manufacturer level. Also if people were not smart enough to have seen this coming especially after the rush of his first term election I don't feel bad for those who are now scrambling. I feel bad for those of us dealing with the situation caused by those who were not prepared.
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Agreed. The ignorance almost makes one want to quit the www or certain sites.

I absolutely hate price gouging scum but it isnt at the large manufacturer level. Also if people were not smart enough to have seen this coming especially after the rush of his first term election I don't feel bad for those who are now scrambling. I feel bad for those of us dealing with the situation caused by those who were not prepared.
Prepared for what? People buying media fear tactics?

In case you haven't heard, as of Wed., the AWB has been shot down by a Senate Judiciary Committee.

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Agreed. The ignorance almost makes one want to quit the www or certain sites.

I absolutely hate price gouging scum but it isnt at the large manufacturer level. Also if people were not smart enough to have seen this coming especially after the rush of his first term election I don't feel bad for those who are now scrambling. I feel bad for those of us dealing with the situation caused by those who were not prepared.
I could not agree more. I saw this **** storm coming and prepared. I am proud to say I have not bought one round of .223/5.56, not one EBR, and not one P mag since this whole craze began.

Hopefully there is plenty of people like me who are not wasting their money and contributing this BS.
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Old 02-01-2013, 20:57   #44
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Reason 2: With prices artificially inflated, there's no real reason for manufacturers to increase production. If I can sell a lower for 300 vs. 85, why would I ever make more than I need to maintain that profit margin?

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Um, the manufacturers aren't the ones gouging on price, it's the end sellers. And besides, why wouldn't you make more if you could sell more?
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In case you haven't heard, as of Wed., the AWB has been shot down by a Senate Judiciary Committee.
That doesn't mean it's dead.
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Old 02-02-2013, 00:41   #46
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Prepared for what? People buying media fear tactics?

In case you haven't heard, as of Wed., the AWB has been shot down by a Senate Judiciary Committee.
How about preparing for the rash of last minute gotta get mine before its too late buyers who are swamping the market, drying up items and driving up prices. Some of us saw that coming and had enough sense to have a good supply of ammo or parts for for us to continue our shooting hobby as normal until this knee jerk frenzy dies down AGAIN. WTF do you think I was talking about?
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The real answer to "Are they price gouging or not?" is to find out if the distributor's are getting firearms at the normal rate and turning around to sell them for double or triple or if they are seeing price hikes as well.
The answer is no.... I talked to one of the managers at a local dealer and what I was told is that distibutors are not gouging and were still shipping at near normal prices it's just near impossible to get anything right now because everyone is sold out!!! The owner of a local LE dealer told me the same thing and has continued to sell anything he has gotten in at retail pricing even though he could sell it for triple. Don't get me wrong prices may have inflated slightly (Ie: Match .308 now $24.99 as opposed to $19.99 before) but thats pretty much economics 101 and is expected with the current demand. The true reason of the madness is evident is the quoted post below....

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Like before Wally world decided to only allow one AR purchase per person per day. One manager told em a fella was buying all they had in stock every shipment and one weekend he found out why. The guy was selling the same Colts, DPMS and Sig rifles at the gun shows for 3 times what he paid.

I would venture to guess that a good chunk of everything that is purchased is done so strictly to resale at inflated prices. Or how all the LE distributors also supply LGSs and sold everything they had in stock repeatedly over and over to them because the LGSs can't keep anything on the shelf more than a day.

It is pretty easy to figure out.
This is exactly why you can't find anything. Awhile back ago at the start of this madness I ran into a guy who was buying ammo in all sorts of calibers and when a guy mentioned how he must have a nice collection of guns to go with all that ammo he admitted he didn't have guns in many of the calibers he was buying but that the ammo was going to be worth its weight in gold so he's stocking up as an investment. In other words he was looking to make a buck off people willing to pay a premium.

There was a gun show here a week or so ago that I did not attend but my father did. He told me you could have bought anything you wanted at the show.... PMags, primers, ammo, AR-15's, AK's and all sorts of other firearms that can't be found anywhere else. You just had to be willing to pay the 300% mark up and it was yours. That is where all the ammo and guns are going. It's not the shooters freaking out buying new guns it's the dealers trying to make $$$ for the uninformed tools that will pay $2500 for a low grade AR15 worth that was only worth $650 before the madness.

The good news is my father said it did not seem like much was selling because people there were not willing to be gouged by these dealers. I hope these guys end up sitting on this stuff and either lose money or end up breaking even when stuff settles down a bit.
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That doesn't mean it's dead.
Exactly - they want us to drop our guard. Don't let up - pour it on!

As for gouging - happens even in the best of times; profit is profit...

Recall FN had a LEO-only PS90 dealio going several months ago. Our heroes were buying them - and reselling on GB so fast that FN ran out of them.
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That doesn't mean it's dead.
I didn't say it was.
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How about preparing for the rash of last minute gotta get mine before its too late buyers who are swamping the market, drying up items and driving up prices. Some of us saw that coming and had enough sense to have a good supply of ammo or parts for for us to continue our shooting hobby as normal until this knee jerk frenzy dies down AGAIN. WTF do you think I was talking about?
If you were prepared, why do you care about what is going on now? Sounds like you're whining about something that apparently doesn't affect you. So are you just making statements like you did in order to pat yourself on the back?

And exactly what happened in Obummer's political career up to the Sandy Hook shooting that made you or any other wannabe Nostradamus "see it coming"?

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