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Old 01-19-2013, 00:37   #1
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Para Ordnance Rebirth?

Scuttlebutt on the Internet is that they have switched from cast frames to forged recently on their single stacks. Also, that they are offering the Ion Bond finish. Maybe they're turning over a new leaf as they have moved to the States and their founder died.

http://www.para-usa.com/new/product_new.php
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Old 01-19-2013, 02:20   #2
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News a 11...

Para makes changes...

Still doesn't build as nice a gun as Springfield...

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Old 01-19-2013, 03:08   #3
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News a 11...

Para makes changes...

Still doesn't build as nice a gun as Springfield...


I don't know as I have not seen these new models and I will wage money you haven't either, which is what this thread is about and not the old Para stuff.

Para was bought by the Freedom Group who has purportedly dumped a lot of money into new eqpmt. Perhaps this is the source of the Remington 1911's now as they both now have the same parent co.
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Old 01-19-2013, 05:24   #4
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The problem with Para had been the QUALITY of the components
and the FITTING of those components, not what the components were made of.

You can put a pig in a dress, but it's still a pig.
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Old 01-19-2013, 13:46   #5
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The problem with Para had been the QUALITY of the components
and the FITTING of those components, not what the components were made of.



No, actually it has been all three.
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Old 01-19-2013, 19:55   #6
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I don't know as I have not seen these new models and I will wage money you haven't either, which is what this thread is about and not the old Para stuff.

Para was bought by the Freedom Group who has purportedly dumped a lot of money into new eqpmt. Perhaps this is the source of the Remington 1911's now as they both now have the same parent co.
I know a few things about fitting out a nice, reliable 1911 and unless they dumped their entire parts supplier chain and fired all the folks they've had building the guns they're not going to significantly change anything.

I've yet to run into anyone in the real world who's had a para gun which ran properly out of the box. Single stack or double stack.

But lets see... Freedom Group...

Bushmaster (borderline ****), DPMS (Didn't Pass Military Spec), Marlin (Completely destroyed their QC after acquisition) etc.

About the only company they own which produces a class leading product is AAC.

So you can get a para, or you can get a Springer, and have access to the best customer service in the business and a pistol that'll run well right out of the box, and if it doesn't the SACS will make it work like a swiss watch and have it back before you know it.

A good friend had a Para he bought as a carry gun. Piece of crap and Para didn't really seem to care. He sold it and got an officer size S&W of some sort. Likes it alot.
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Old 01-19-2013, 20:05   #7
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It wasn't the cast frame that was the issue, it was the cast slide and other poor parts quality and fitting.
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Old 01-21-2013, 12:43   #8
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No more Para guns for me, ever. As already mentioned any changes in the product by Freedom Group typically do not inspire confidence, and there other other various brands of 1911s with better quality for the money.
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No more Para guns for me, ever. As already mentioned any changes in the product by Freedom Group typically do not inspire confidence, and there other other various brands of 1911s with better quality for the money.
Good point,......they did do a great job ruining Bushmaster!
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As soon as para makes a gun with 1911 internals then I will call them a 1911 manufacturer. A friend bought a Para-GI. It had a 9lb trigger. Ordered some parts, when to do some trigger work on it and found out that you cant even replace the sear spring with a colt or standard 1911 part. Its proprietary. Ended up taking a dremel to the stock spring and doing some other tweaking. Got the trigger down to 5lbs. Still, I wouldnt buy one.
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Old 01-27-2013, 01:04   #11
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I paid good money for a Para Warthog a few years ago, and that thing was the biggest piece of junk I have ever had my hands on. I will never own another guy made by those clowns
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No, actually it has been all three.
Yep.... in addition to proprietary parts like the "power" extractor or whatever the heyall that thing was.
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Old 01-27-2013, 12:30   #13
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Yep.... in addition to proprietary parts like the "power" extractor or whatever the heyall that thing was.
First time I've ever had to repair a pistol was when that thing blew apart....
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Old 01-27-2013, 19:02   #14
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It's a shame they don't make a more reliable pistol. I really like their LDA trigger system.
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Yep.... in addition to proprietary parts like the "power" extractor or whatever the heyall that thing was.
The PXT is gone.

They decided to discontinue the power extractor a while back. All their 2013 lineup has a new (old) extractor.
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I know someone who bought a para, it didn't work right and para would not cover the shipping to send it back to them to fix it.

I don't buy ANY firearm from ANY manufacture that won't cover shipping on a warranty repair.
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