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Old 01-23-2013, 07:52   #1
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Atheist Has A Vivid Dream of Heaven

I figured this would be the place to post this. Maybe some of you here have read it, but I enjoyed it and hope others here do as well.

http://conversationswithyeshua.blogs...l#.UP6Xh_mC9Js
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Old 01-23-2013, 08:03   #2
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I've always said, "There's only two kinds of people in this world.
Those who believe in God, and those who will."

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Old 01-23-2013, 08:17   #3
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so what I saw was not previously planted in there)
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This is just flat out false. You don't get to 15 years old without ever hearing of, of seeing on tv anything about heaven.
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Old 01-23-2013, 08:18   #4
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I've always said, "There's only two kinds of people in this world.
Those who believe in God, and those who will."

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You mean when God provides the evidence he refused to provide when requested so he could punish those he created as skeptical for being how he created them?
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Old 01-23-2013, 08:48   #5
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Like it says in the title "vivid dream".
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Old 01-23-2013, 08:57   #6
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Like it says in the title "vivid dream".
I've had plenty of vivid dreams that aren't true. Just ask Angelina Jolie.

Who even thinks such nonsense is worthy of writing down?
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Old 01-23-2013, 09:53   #7
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Plenty of cultures believe dreams are important, and some make claims of being able decipher them. Certain meds can give you VERY vivid and memorable dreams.

Can't argue with some if it, we are heading into "interesting times".

Maybe the author believes this, maybe not.

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Old 01-23-2013, 10:03   #8
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I had a vivid dream last night that I was alone in a strange room and wanted to take a shower, but it was too cold. Then I woke up. I was in bed with my wife and I was cold, so I pulled up the covers and went back to sleep.

Itís just a dream. Donít get excited.
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DMT Trip?
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DMT Trip?
There are lots of medications that can cause extremely vivid dreams. I have some personal experience being on mefloquine for a while. They are real feeling enough that it can take a few moments to realize it was a dream. Point being, it can be legit, not just illicit.

I had a lot of guys ask for more after we left theater. But, no malaria, no anti malarial prescriptions, sorry.
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I've had plenty of vivid dreams that aren't true. Just ask Angelina Jolie...
I just did.
She laughed and said she doesn't even know who you are.
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That is 5 minutes I can never get back...
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I wonder if the author of that piece is the same guy who writes those odious Subaru commercials?

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This is just flat out false. You don't get to 15 years old without ever hearing of, of seeing on tv anything about heaven.
I find that unlikely as well.
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Dreams are incredibly interesting. I had a college professor that taught me about lucid dreaming. I've been practicing it for about 12 years now.

I can't do it all the time, and more often than I would like, when I realize I'm dreaming I just wake up, but when I can stay asleep and control my dreams...that's real fun. However even at this point I still wake from dreams that leave me questioning whether they were reality or not.

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There are lots of medications that can cause extremely vivid dreams...
Most definitely. In addition, I have found that discontinuing medications and other substances like caffeine and nicotine can cause very vivid dreams.
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Dreams are incredibly interesting. I had a college professor that taught me about lucid dreaming. I've been practicing it for about 12 years now.

I can't do it all the time, and more often than I would like, when I realize I'm dreaming I just wake up, but when I can stay asleep and control my dreams...that's real fun.
I've done it once. I was falling asleep telling myself to have a lucid dream - and I fell asleep, and started dreaming that I was falling asleep telling myself to have a lucid dream - and then I fell a lower level down where it was basically a dream that I was dreaming, where I was actually unaware that part of my 'falling asleep telling myself to have a lucid dream' was a dream, but entirely aware that I was currently dreaming (actually - it's an interesting question as to whether or not I was merely dreaming that I was having a lucid dream, or whether I was actually lucid - but I perceived myself to be lucid, I appeared to have control of my own actions, and I appeared to have control over the events that occurred). It stopped when I dreamt that I woke up, and then I started having ordinary non-lucid dreams. It was a pretty neat experience.

Edit: honestly, I didn't really try it after that. I'd read a book where the main premise was that there was a shared dream space that multiple different people could occupy - the book was fiction, but a friend of mine and I started talking about the concept, and we decided we'd try test whether or not it was true (which, admittedly, neither of us expected it to be). So I ended up spending a few months trying to have a lucid dream, and when I did, I went to find my friend, and did so. But out in reality, when I asked my friend what he'd dreamt about the night before, they didn't at all match up with what had happened in my dream. We concluded that, at least in that occurrence, there was no reason to think there was a shared dream experience, and I stopped trying to have lucid dreams. It was a fun "experiment", though.
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I've done it once. I was falling asleep telling myself to have a lucid dream - and I fell asleep, and started dreaming that I was falling asleep telling myself to have a lucid dream - and then I fell a lower level down where it was basically a dream that I was dreaming, where I was actually unaware that part of my 'falling asleep telling myself to have a lucid dream' was a dream, but entirely aware that I was currently dreaming (actually - it's an interesting question as to whether or not I was merely dreaming that I was having a lucid dream, or whether I was actually lucid - but I perceived myself to be lucid, I appeared to have control of my own actions, and I appeared to have control over the events that occurred). It stopped when I dreamt that I woke up, and then I started having ordinary non-lucid dreams. It was a pretty neat experience.
I have been "trapped" in dream states sort of like that. Dreaming that I woke up, sometimes four or five times before I actually woke up.

When I am lucid dreaming, I am consciously aware that I am dreaming and can make conscious decisions altering the dream.
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Old 01-24-2013, 00:45   #17
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When I am lucid dreaming, I am consciously aware that I am dreaming and can make conscious decisions altering the dream.
That's exactly what it felt like. For instance, I was walking around checking things out, and someone tried to rob me at gunpoint, and my response was "You can't do that", and they said "Why?", and I responded by telling them "Because this is my dream", taking the gun out of their hand, and twisting it up into a pretzel before willing it to disappear.

However, writing my previous post up the possibility occurred to me that my perception that I was consciously aware that I was dreaming, and that I was making conscious decisions altering the dream, could have merely been part of the sub-dream, and not actually true. Did I decide that I wanted that gun to disappear, and willed it to happen in the dream? Or did I dream that I wanted that gun to disappear, and dream that I willed it to happen in the dream? I'm trying to think up a test of how to determine the difference, and basically coming up empty at the moment.
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I wake up some mornings and first thing is think WTH. That dream was crazy.
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Bet that person was tripping balls.
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In the words of Chris Rock... "What ever happened to crazy?" Can't a person just be crazy? Doesn't have to be a vision from God. He can just be mentally ill.
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...Did I decide that I wanted that gun to disappear, and willed it to happen in the dream? Or did I dream that I wanted that gun to disappear, and dream that I willed it to happen in the dream? I'm trying to think up a test of how to determine the difference, and basically coming up empty at the moment.
You're making conscious decisions not just dreaming that you are. I can wake from such dreams, actually wake not just dream I woke up, go use the bathroom get something to drink, smoke a cig and go back to sleep and reengage the dream in control as I was before.

In fact that is when it is the easiest to do, after waking and then going back to sleep soon there after. As far as tests go I've done that as well. Having been awake, truly awake without a doubt and going back to sleep with the intention of altering a dream in a certain way and then being able to do it once I fall back into the rem cycle.
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I woke up one morning, had to go to the bathroom really bad, ran to the bathroom, just in time, closed my eyes and sighed a deep sigh as I relieved myself. As I opened my eyes, I realized I was still in bed. All that had just been a dream. Felt entirely real though.

Luckily it was just a vivid dream, while it felt real, everything was dry.

Also used to have really vivid dreams of being able to fly. Anyone want to place a bet that I can actually fly?

Two extraordinarily vivid dreams. Yet neither one of them was actually real. Dreams are funny like that.

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This forum has turned into a joke, anytime someone posts something that has to do with God it turns into a atheists family reunion. This forum a yr ago was interesting and enjoyable even with the atheists imputs. Now its just a them against God and it isnt cool or fun.


Enjoy it why you can, but soon I bet the section will be but a bad memory.
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This forum has turned into a joke, anytime someone posts something that has to do with God it turns into a atheists family reunion. This forum a yr ago was interesting and enjoyable even with the atheists imputs. Now its just a them against God and it isnt cool or fun.


Enjoy it why you can, but soon I bet the section will be but a bad memory.
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Now its just a them against God and it isnt cool or fun.
It's not us against god, there would actually have to be a god in order for that confrontation to take place. It's more like atheists versus superstition and ignorance.

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Enjoy it why you can, but soon I bet the section will be but a bad memory.
Sounds like someone would rather see the forum closed than to see it move in a direction inconsistent with their own personal beliefs.
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