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Old 02-01-2013, 14:03   #21
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It's a higher pressure 45acp in a samller gun. So if you are like me & don't care for the G21, then a 45GAP may be right for you. The downside is cheaper ammo & cases fro reloading. If you must have a 230gr bullet, the 45acp handles that weight better. I think the GAP is at it's best w/ a good 200gr load (disclainer, I don;t own or load for the GAP, JMO).
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Old 02-01-2013, 14:04   #22
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They must be deep-seated in order to keep the OAL short enough.
Typically the 230gr loads are longer than the 185gr and 200gr loads. There are some exceptions though. Take a look at this post from the Bulldogs forum that has pictures showing the different GAP rounds beside eachother:

http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/show....php?t=1170303
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Old 02-01-2013, 14:26   #23
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I like the size of the smaller framed Glock better, and that is the one advantage you get with the GAP. In every other aspect, I much prefer the ACP. I like that my G21 Gen4 can shoot ACP, ACP +P and .45 Super. I do wonder what the GAP would be capable of if it were a 30-35K PSI cartridge, kind of like a mini 45 Super, that could be interesting.
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I like the size of the smaller framed Glock better, and that is the one advantage you get with the GAP. In every other aspect, I much prefer the ACP. I like that my G21 Gen4 can shoot ACP, ACP +P and .45 Super. I do wonder what the GAP would be capable of if it were a 30-35K PSI cartridge, kind of like a mini 45 Super, that could be interesting.
It would be interesting for someone to come out with a +p offering in .45 GAP.
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It would be interesting for someone to come out with a +p offering in .45 GAP.
Probably not enough room in the case for the extra powder. I reload my practice rounds and I'm using 7 grains of Unique. It fills the case up to just about the bottom of where the bullet finally seats. If there's a higher powered powder that doesn't have the volume of Unique then they may be able to do it.
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Probably not enough room in the case for the extra powder. I reload my practice rounds and I'm using 7 grains of Unique. It fills the case up to just about the bottom of where the bullet finally seats. If there's a higher powered powder that doesn't have the volume of Unique then they may be able to do it.
Sounds like a job for Bullseye!
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Probably not enough room in the case for the extra powder. I reload my practice rounds and I'm using 7 grains of Unique. It fills the case up to just about the bottom of where the bullet finally seats. If there's a higher powered powder that doesn't have the volume of Unique then they may be able to do it.
Maybe something like the old Winchester 630 or maybe even the AA powders.
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Probably not enough room in the case for the extra powder. I reload my practice rounds and I'm using 7 grains of Unique. It fills the case up to just about the bottom of where the bullet finally seats. If there's a higher powered powder that doesn't have the volume of Unique then they may be able to do it.
WSF is just a tiny bit slower than Unique & slightly less bulky. At 7gr, you would get abotu 25% less volume & slightly less vel. So you can go a bit higher owder charge w/o much compression. AA#7 is slower still as is HS6, but you have to start adding quite a bit more powder, so it's a balancing act.
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WSF is just a tiny bit slower than Unique & slightly less bulky. At 7gr, you would get abotu 25% less volume & slightly less vel. So you can go a bit higher owder charge w/o much compression. AA#7 is slower still as is HS6, but you have to start adding quite a bit more powder, so it's a balancing act.
I forgot about my old friend WSF. I've been using it since it was introduced.
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Maybe something like the old Winchester 630 or maybe even the AA powders.
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WSF is just a tiny bit slower than Unique & slightly less bulky. At 7gr, you would get abotu 25% less volume & slightly less vel. So you can go a bit higher owder charge w/o much compression. AA#7 is slower still as is HS6, but you have to start adding quite a bit more powder, so it's a balancing act.
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Sounds like a job for Bullseye!
Hmmmmm, i may need to look at some other powders! I did buy a couple of containers of Power Pistol but I haven't tried it yet. I've been reloading with 185gr Berry's RN hollow base bullets.
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Hmmmmm, i may need to look at some other powders! I did buy a couple of containers of Power Pistol but I haven't tried it yet. I've been reloading with 185gr Berry's RN hollow base bullets.
I am a current and happy user of APP. Great powder.
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Old 02-04-2013, 16:46   #32
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The Glock 39 is my favorite .45 caliber sub-compact pistol. Very accurate and reliable. Many G.A.P. owners are LEO's who are issued them. Everyone is happy with them. The feedback is positive. Nothing wrong with the G.A.P.
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The Glock 39 is my favorite .45 caliber sub-compact pistol. Very accurate and reliable. Many G.A.P. owners are LEO's who are issued them. Everyone is happy with them. The feedback is positive. Nothing wrong with the G.A.P.
Wrong! There is something wrong with the GAP....I can't find a model 39 to buy!!!!! Went to my local Glock blue label dealer and he has no idea when he can get one.
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Wrong! There is something wrong with the GAP....I can't find a model 39 to buy!!!!! Went to my local Glock blue label dealer and he has no idea when he can get one.
Sheepdog, check gunbroker. There are some there.
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That makes sense. I guess that there is not likely to be a 230gr .45 GAP round then - the OAL would be too long.
I've been working up a 230gn HP load for 45 GAP for a couple weeks, now. Take a look over in BullDawgs forum.

Whatever powder I use, the charge has been about 90% of the ACP load.

And Last but not Least.....

38 is twice the gun a 19 is!

Do the math!
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I've been working up a 230gn HP load for 45 GAP for a couple weeks, now. Take a look over in BullDawgs forum.

Whatever powder I use, the charge has been about 90% of the ACP load.

And Last but not Least.....

38 is twice the gun a 19 is!

Do the math!
I overlooked the deep seating of the 230gr bullet in the .45 GAP.
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Old 02-06-2013, 16:39   #37
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.45 GAP is dumb. No ability to go with +P pressures. .45 ACP wins.

Just my opinion and opinions are not debatable. Sorry.
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.45 GAP is dumb. No ability to go with +P pressures. .45 ACP wins.

Just my opinion and opinions are not debatable. Sorry.


Got to admire a person who knows what he wants, wants what he wants, and doesn't want to be questioned about what he wants.

Even if +P was not the ammo that went to two World Wars, Korea and Vietnam.
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Old 02-06-2013, 21:12   #39
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The 45 GAP and the Glock 39 is the gun I would carry in a retail work space....like a jewelry store. The Doubletap 165gr Barnes TAC-XP is the round I would carry. Like WinterWizard said. It is not debatable.

I think it is a brillant round. 3 shot, 3 yards, 3 seconds
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I've owned a G38 & G39 and they are great guns. However, for me personally I feel better armed with something that holds more rounds for todays more "elastic" scenarios.


FWIW, the best powders to reload the GAP are Ramshot True Blue & VV N310.
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