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Old 02-02-2013, 07:28   #21
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We were just talking about this the other night in bible study. Exodus and the burning bush is the first time God is given a name, "I AM", and (post Eden) where he manifests himself (via the burning bush and surrounding the mountain with smoke) to mankind.
This was not the Father at the burning bush. It was the Son.


John 8:58 Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
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Old 02-02-2013, 07:40   #22
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The Word!
And The Word is Christ, or the Son, or is it another separate aspect of divinity?
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Old 02-02-2013, 08:27   #23
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It was the Word interacting with Adam, not the Father.

John 17 is clear who did all the creating, and Nothing was done except by the Word. The Father did NOT personally do anything in the OT. He wasnt revealed yet.
But in Genesis 3 it clearly states that the Lord God came down and walked in Eden in the cool of the day and Adam hid from him. It said the Lord God and not the word... how is it that you interpret this as being the word. Simply because of John 17? The bible contradicts itself in lots of places.

What version of Christianity do you follow by the way?
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Old 02-02-2013, 09:43   #24
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But in Genesis 3 it clearly states that the Lord God came down and walked in Eden in the cool of the day and Adam hid from him. It said the Lord God and not the word... how is it that you interpret this as being the word. Simply because of John 17? The bible contradicts itself in lots of places.

What version of Christianity do you follow by the way?
John 1 states clearly in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was God, and the Word was with God (The Father).

No contradictions only misunderstandings.

I follow the version taught throughout the Bible, sadly mainstream Christianity has missed the mark.

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And The Word is Christ, or the Son, or is it another separate aspect of divinity?
The Word later became known as Jesus, The Word was and is never The Father. They are only ONE in thought and action. Not ONE in personage.
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Most people do not realize that it was the Son that created everything. It was the Son that wrote the words of the Covenant, the Ten Commandments, with His finger in the stone Tables of the Covenant. Jesus is and was the lawgiver.

Jesus at this time has all authority in heaven and earth. After everything is subdued by Jesus, He will give that authority back to the Father. Jesus by reason of His birth among men is forever linked to mankind. This link allows our salvation.

Jesus is worthy.

Revelation 5:9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
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I am pretty sure the Jewish members would disagree with your interpretation of THEIR old testament.
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Old 02-02-2013, 13:55   #28
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I am pretty sure the Jewish members would disagree with your interpretation of THEIR old testament.
Well Brasso is Jewish, I dont think he disagrees. Also, it is NOT the jewish Old Test. The entire Bible is Gods word to Mankind.
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I assume Brasso can speak for himself, but if he is truly Jewish, then I doubt he believes that Jesus created the world in Genesis.
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I want to believe what FCoulter is saying is true. The Father could not be revealed until reconciliation had taken place.Before that only the Promise was revealed.
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John 1 states clearly in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was God, and the Word was with God (The Father).

No contradictions only misunderstandings.

I follow the version taught throughout the Bible, sadly mainstream Christianity has missed the mark.
Interesting... when do you think John 1 was written?
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Interesting... when do you think John 1 was written?
The books of the New Testament were written between 26 and 96 AD, a period of almost seventy years. As internal evidence reveals, Jesus’ disciples recorded His message and began to circulate these writings throughout Palestine and the Empire at a very early date. These documents were later collected into the Gospel accounts— Matthew’s account may have appeared as early as 35 AD; Mark wrote his account shortly after, in 42 AD, and Luke wrote his account around 59 AD. The Gospel of John also was written about 42 AD.
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I assume Brasso can speak for himself, but if he is truly Jewish, then I doubt he believes that Jesus created the world in Genesis.
Believe it or not there are many Messianic Jewish believers.
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What version of Christianity do you follow by the way?
his own special version...........really special
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The books of the New Testament were written between 26 and 96 AD, a period of almost seventy years. As internal evidence reveals, Jesus’ disciples recorded His message and began to circulate these writings throughout Palestine and the Empire at a very early date. These documents were later collected into the Gospel accounts— Matthew’s account may have appeared as early as 35 AD; Mark wrote his account shortly after, in 42 AD, and Luke wrote his account around 59 AD. The Gospel of John also was written about 42 AD.
So you are accepting John's interpretation of scripture written about 6 or 700 years prior? Not only that but it was passed along via oral tradition for about another 700 years before that. When God says that Adam had become like "US" this is a clear connection to the fact that the ancient Israelites were polytheistic... hence the whole "No God's Before Me". You can't use John as proof that God was talking about Jesus as it was written well after. Just because it's old doesn't mean it's correct. Especially when the tale it's trying to reconcile is even older.
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The Word later became known as Jesus, The Word was and is never The Father. They are only ONE in thought and action. Not ONE in personage.
Then it would be correct to say that Jesus ordered the genocides in the Old Testament and handed down the legal code that dictated punishments such as execution for not respecting one's parents and endorsed the practice of slavery?
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Old 02-03-2013, 01:08   #37
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The Word!
Jesus ordered people be put to the sword? What about Thou Shalt Not Kill?
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Also, it is NOT the jewish Old Test. The entire Bible is Gods word to Mankind.
Noooo the Jews were God's chosen people. The original portions of the bible were for them. The parts added later (That you seem to think reinterprets the originals) brought everyone else in.
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So you are accepting John's interpretation of scripture written about 6 or 700 years prior? Not only that but it was passed along via oral tradition for about another 700 years before that. When God says that Adam had become like "US" this is a clear connection to the fact that the ancient Israelites were polytheistic... hence the whole "No God's Before Me". You can't use John as proof that God was talking about Jesus as it was written well after. Just because it's old doesn't mean it's correct. Especially when the tale it's trying to reconcile is even older.
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I never said the "us" in Gen. Was Jesus only.


John 1 clearly shows in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was God, and the Word was with God. This is clearly showing that in the 1 God family there are more than 1 member. John 17 shows that those in the God family are 1 in thought and action, NOT 1 in person.


Now lets stay on topic, I am beginning to see the trolls emerging and as stated in the OP, will be delt with.

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Jesus ordered people be put to the sword? What about Thou Shalt Not Kill?
No the command is thou shall not murder, big difference from thou shall not kill.
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