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Old 02-03-2013, 07:58   #1
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Shocking Numbers That Show The Media Is Lying To You About Unemployment

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Old 02-03-2013, 08:10   #2
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Old 02-03-2013, 08:15   #3
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The labor force is defined as the number of people working or looking for work.

The unemployment rate is defined as the percentage of the labor force that is not working.

If many unemployed people stop looking for work, even though they haven't found jobs,, the unemployment rate will drop. This may be counter-intuitive, but it is not the fault of the media -- it's just the definition of of unemployment rate.

If people are too ignorant to know what the unemployment rate tells us, it does not point to a giant conspiracy.
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Old 02-03-2013, 08:21   #4
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The US news media has an agenda that they follow for the purpose of guiding American citizens to a predetermined political conclusion.

Lying is a major tenet of that agenda.
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Old 02-03-2013, 08:31   #5
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And to think we used to laugh at the propaganda machine in the USSR.
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Old 02-03-2013, 08:48   #6
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The labor force is defined as the number of people working or looking for work.

The unemployment rate is defined as the percentage of the labor force that is not working.

If many unemployed people stop looking for work, even though they haven't found jobs,, the unemployment rate will drop. This may be counter-intuitive, but it is not the fault of the media -- it's just the definition of of unemployment rate.

If people are too ignorant to know what the unemployment rate tells us, it does not point to a giant conspiracy.
When people run out of unemployment benefits they are no longer considered to be looking for work. I know several people that are looking for work that fall into this category.

Aren't you getting tired of carrying Obama's water?
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Old 02-03-2013, 09:58   #7
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I know a lot of people that are underemployed as well. These are people that were managers in everything from IT to the financial sector. They hit the magic age of 45 or so lost their job and no one wants to hire them. They now work in retail or at 7-11 type stores.
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Old 02-03-2013, 10:08   #8
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Put simply: There are more takers than makers. And the government cannot sugarcoat this much longer.
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Old 02-03-2013, 10:28   #9
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I personally know tens of people that were laid-off the same time I was (thousands were but I'm only talking about people I know) that ran out of benefits and are desperately looking. They are not counted as unemployed, some are even counted as two or three jobs since that's the only way they can feed their families now. One of my best friends sprays fertilizer on lawns during the weekend, Busch Gardens cleaning trash cans whenever they give him hours and as a waiter at night. He is a college educated engineer with over 25 years of experience. He's too young to retire, makes too much now to collect welfare and is in that unspoken group in America that has been forgotten about.

Another thing most people don't understand about the unemployment rate is that when they say 150,000 are added per month, that is the normal population growth that enters the workforce every month.

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Put simply: There are more takers than makers. And the government cannot sugarcoat this much longer.
We have created a system in which the top 1% own approximately 40% of the nation's wealth and the bottom 80% own only 7%. Factor in children, disabled and elderly . . . of course there are going to be more tax revenue "takers" than "makers".
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When people run out of unemployment benefits they are no longer considered to be looking for work. I know several people that are looking for work that fall into this category.

Aren't you getting tired of carrying Obama's water?


You're wrong. The BLS conducts a telephone survey to determine the labor force and unemployment numbers. It doesn't look at who gets unemployment benefits.

All I've done is stated facts. Do I have to be ignorant in order not to carry Obama's water?

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Old 02-03-2013, 12:23   #12
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And to think we used to laugh at the propaganda machine in the USSR.
To be fair, infowars has about as much relation to reality as Pravda ever did.


If you've got another source, preferably one that doesn't cite infowars as the original, I'd listen. Otherwise, it's like listening to Sarah Brady talk about guns.
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You're wrong. The BLS conducts a telephone survey to determine the labor force and unemployment numbers. It doesn't look at who gets unemployment benefits.

All I've done is stated facts. Do I have to be ignorant in order not to carry Obama's water?

Why yes they do, they contact employers and they do a household survey which, is the one that they use to tabulate unemployment numbers. That said, people who have expended their unemployment benefits are no longer considered to be in the work force even if they are actively seeking employment.

Here are some more facts for you. In the half century prior to obama the only time that we have had unemployment declines on the order of what the obungo admin. claims, we have had GDP growth between 7 and 10%, numbers that we haven't come close to during his term.
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Old 02-03-2013, 13:03   #14
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There are various UE figures, their formulas and calculations are all public knowledge and published freely on the internet. If anyone is confused about what the different rates mean or how they are come by, it's only because they choose not to be informed.

It's been that way through various administrations and in good times and bad.
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To be fair, infowars has about as much relation to reality as Pravda ever did.


If you've got another source, preferably one that doesn't cite infowars as the original, I'd listen. Otherwise, it's like listening to Sarah Brady talk about guns.
The article cited BLS numbers. How much better a source do you want than that??

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Old 02-03-2013, 14:49   #17
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Why yes they do, they contact employers and they do a household survey which, is the one that they use to tabulate unemployment numbers. That said, people who have expended their unemployment benefits are no longer considered to be in the work force even if they are actively seeking employment.
Again, this simply isn't true. The BLS doesn't consider whether one is collecting unemployment benefits when determining whether one is looking for work. You are welcome to check the BLS' website or do a Google search to inform yourself - but saying the same ignorant things over and over certainly does not make something true.

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Here are some more facts for you. In the half century prior to obama the only time that we have had unemployment declines on the order of what the obungo admin. claims, we have had GDP growth between 7 and 10%, numbers that we haven't come close to during his term.
Your attacking a straw man if you think I'm defending Obama's record on the economy. We both don't like Obama's policies - The difference between us is I understand how unemployment numbers are calculated. You do not and this lack of understanding has lead to your believing a conspiracy theory.
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Old 02-03-2013, 15:40   #18
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Again, this simply isn't true. The BLS doesn't consider whether one is collecting unemployment benefits when determining whether one is looking for work. You are welcome to check the BLS' website or do a Google search to inform yourself - but saying the same ignorant things over and over certainly does not make something true.



Your attacking a straw man if you think I'm defending Obama's record on the economy. We both don't like Obama's policies - The difference between us is I understand how unemployment numbers are calculated. You do not and this lack of understanding has lead to your believing a conspiracy theory.

Making 9 Million Jobless "Vanish": How The Government Manipulates Unemployment Statistics



http://danielamerman.com/articles/2012/WorkC.html
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Old 02-03-2013, 17:50   #19
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We have created a system in which the top 1% own approximately 40% of the nation's wealth and the bottom 80% own only 7%. Factor in children, disabled and elderly . . . of course there are going to be more tax revenue "takers" than "makers".
Well, let me put it another way... More money is paid out by the government than they take in. If you want to redistribute that money from the top 1%, tax revenues would be even less.
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When people run out of unemployment benefits they are no longer considered to be looking for work. I know several people that are looking for work that fall into this category.

Aren't you getting tired of carrying Obama's water?
You are either a blithering idiot, or just legitimately mentally handicapped. This has been explained to you I don't know how many times, and none of this has changed under this president, it's always worked that way.
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You are either a blithering idiot, or just legitimately mentally handicapped. This has been explained to you I don't know how many times, and none of this has changed under this president, it's always worked that way.

What a foul little beastie you are. You and MZKBA go on believing that the actual number of unemployed is 7.8%. Funny that you guys don't post for a long while yet, when an unemployment thread opens, there you are. Do you have an alarm that alerts you to these threads?
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It's a small program, you can download it, a link is at the bottom of unemployment checks after the 20th week.

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What a foul little beastie you are. You and MZKBA go on believing that the actual number of unemployed is 7.8%. Funny that you guys don't post for a long while yet, when an unemployment thread opens, there you are. Do you have an alarm that alerts you to these threads?
To say that the "actual number of unemployed is 7.8%" doesn't make any sense. Do you think 7.8% of a person is unemployed?

If the unemployment rate is 7.8%, then 7.8% of the labor force is unemployed. This is what the unemployment rate measures. It's what the words "unemployment rate" has measured since before any of us were born. It's not the media's fault if you don't understand what unemployment numbers mean: It's your fault.

IvanVic is right: This has all been explained -- slowly -- to you in other threads. You either choose to ignore the definition, or you are incapable of understanding and processing new information.
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... They hit the magic age of 45 or so lost their job and no one wants to hire them. They now work in retail or at 7-11
If you can find that. I went to my own business model ... all bets are off.
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The labor force is defined as the number of people working or looking for work.

The unemployment rate is defined as the percentage of the labor force that is not working.

If many unemployed people stop looking for work, even though they haven't found jobs,, the unemployment rate will drop. This may be counter-intuitive, but it is not the fault of the media -- it's just the definition of of unemployment rate.

If people are too ignorant to know what the unemployment rate tells us, it does not point to a giant conspiracy.
See, it's not that the definition of the word "unemployment" has been politically manipulated to avoid having to reveal the actual level of unemployment in this country. But, rather, the simple answer is that people who don't agree with it, or see how brilliant it is, are ignorant.

(Similiar to the ignorance of the people just too stupid to see how brilliant Obama's liberal policies are and how he is the only thing keeping us morons who didn't vote for him, from being in a real s**tstorm.)
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