Drone strikes on Americans approved by BHO & Holder??

Skyhook · 02-05-2013, 05:43

.. sure looks like it is.

Man, now comes the question: How much trust do you have in this government to NOT abuse such total power... the power of life & death?

This is some kind of 'first', isn't it?

http://openchannel.nbcnews.com/_news...americans?lite

"an “informed, high-level” official of the U.S. government may determine that the targeted American has been “recently” involved in “activities” posing a threat of a violent attack and “there is no evidence suggesting that he has renounced or abandoned such activities.” The memo does not define “recently” or “activities.”

**jeanderson** · 02-05-2013, 06:12

NBC news? I put zero credibility on anything from this organization. Didn't bother to read it.

Skyhook · 02-05-2013, 06:52

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NBC news? I put zero credibility on anything from this organization. Didn't bother to read it.

Humph. Harrrumph. Ok.

snerd · 02-05-2013, 10:16

But, but...... it's okay to kill American citizens with no due process. So says over half the members here!

SPIN2010 · 02-05-2013, 10:31

I hear drones develop maintenance problems over lead contamination.

Beware Owner · 02-05-2013, 10:33

They did send a memo out saying that patriots and returning vets were a threat...

Sharkey · 02-05-2013, 10:34

It is from the mainstream media so all you progressives gotta take it as true. Ironic, if it came from Drudge, you'd say it was from wack jobs.

You know there comes a time when the 49% say enuff. Hopefully this is the time. I doubt it, we'll just wait for them to do the first drone strike and then pass that off as they were terrorists a d deserved it.

BenjiEDF · 02-05-2013, 10:46

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Originally Posted by SPIN2010

I hear drones develop maintenance problems over lead contamination.

The MQ1-L used to assassinate 3 U.S. citizens (one a minor), flies at an altitude of 20,000 ft for surveillance and and comes down to 10,000 ft to fire hellfire missiles. You won't even see it at 20,000 ft, you prob won't even see it at 10,000 ft. Small arms can't touch it.

**Cavalry Doc** · 02-05-2013, 11:15

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Originally Posted by BenjiEDF

The MQ1-L used to assassinate 3 U.S. citizens (one a minor), flies at an altitude of 20,000 ft for surveillance and and comes down to 10,000 ft to fire hellfire missiles. You won't even see it at 20,000 ft, you prob won't even see it at 10,000 ft. Small arms can't touch it.

Those guys were enemy combatants on foreign soil. I am very glad that al-Awlaki is dead. Might have something to do with one of his followers killing a friend of mine and 12 other people.

Booker · 02-05-2013, 11:42

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Those guys were enemy combatants on foreign soil. I am very glad that al-Awlaki is dead. Might have something to do with one of his followers killing a friend of mine and 12 other people.

With that twisted logic then I guess that if a friend of yours kills a friend of theirs, then it's justified for them to kill you.

Skyhook · 02-05-2013, 11:47

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With that twisted logic then I guess that if a friend of yours kills a friend of theirs, then it's justified for them to kill you.

Yet, there's the business of traitors joining the other side and fighting your troops.. what is then the recommended procedure?

**Cavalry Doc** · 02-05-2013, 12:12

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With that twisted logic then I guess that if a friend of yours kills a friend of theirs, then it's justified for them to kill you.

Enemy combatant. On foreign soil. Law of land warfare. Look it up.

It's legal. That's the point.

My sincere lack of sympathy doesn't make it more or less legal.

GAFinch · 02-05-2013, 12:15

Good news: they have to be senior operational leaders of AQ or some other organization that Congress has authorized military force against, GWOT or otherwise.

Bad news: Zero can kill someone merely suspected of being a terrorist but without actually having good intelligence on this. Also, there's no basic judicial or congressional oversight.

cdmoran · 02-05-2013, 12:36

All hail the Executioner In Chief.

WT · 02-05-2013, 12:41

We don't need federal judges or Congressmen to second guess every decision made by our troops on the ground. We gave them authority to fight and we should back them up. If Congress doesn't like it then bring the troops back home.

If an American crosses over and becomes an enemy combatant then I am all for his birth certificate being cancelled by a drone.

Booker · 02-05-2013, 13:05

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Originally Posted by WT

We don't need federal judges or Congressmen to second guess every decision made by our troops on the ground. We gave them authority to fight and we should back them up. If Congress doesn't like it then bring the troops back home.

If an American crosses over and becomes an enemy combatant then I am all for his birth certificate being cancelled by a drone.

with or with out due process?

engineer151515 · 02-05-2013, 13:31

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with or with out due process?

What exactly is due process in a foreign land?

Or are you suggesting a trial here "in absentia"?

**Cavalry Doc** · 02-05-2013, 15:13

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What exactly is due process in a foreign land?

Or are you suggesting a trial here "in absentia"?

A lot of people are confused, some think that the constitution should apply in foreign lands, I think the law of land warfare should, since it is the international covenant on such matters.

Ruble Noon · 02-05-2013, 15:26

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Originally Posted by WT

We don't need federal judges or Congressmen to second guess every decision made by our troops on the ground. We gave them authority to fight and we should back them up. If Congress doesn't like it then bring the troops back home.

If an American crosses over and becomes an enemy combatant then I am all for his birth certificate being cancelled by a drone.

Do you think there should be some burden of proof?

Sharkey · 02-05-2013, 15:56

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Do you think there should be some burden of proof?

Pffft, according to the memo, evidence is over rated. They know a bunch more than we do. Afterall, look how well Benghazi and FnF was handled. A kill order memo is brilliant. Why didn't B2 think of it?

SPIN2010 · 02-05-2013, 15:59

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Originally Posted by BenjiEDF

The MQ1-L used to assassinate 3 U.S. citizens (one a minor), flies at an altitude of 20,000 ft for surveillance and and comes down to 10,000 ft to fire hellfire missiles. You won't even see it at 20,000 ft, you prob won't even see it at 10,000 ft. Small arms can't touch it.

I also hear they take off and land somewhere that people see them.

Cwlongshot · 02-05-2013, 16:24

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/o...-politics.html

countrygun · 02-05-2013, 16:36

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Do you think there should be some burden of proof?

It's a war zone, not an episode of "Perry Mason"

You don't want to get killed, don't hang out with the enemy

Ruble Noon · 02-05-2013, 16:39

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It's a war zone, not an episode of "Perry Mason"

You don't want to get killed, don't hang out with the enemy

Obama knows best. I'm kind of surprised that you put so much faith in him with all your rantings against him.

countrygun · 02-05-2013, 16:45

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Originally Posted by Ruble Noon

Obama knows best. I'm kind of surprised that you put so much faith in him with all your rantings against him.

Even that blind hog can find an acorn once in a while.

Isn't hard when the acorn is in the enemy camp