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Old 02-05-2013, 16:59   #21
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The MQ1-L used to assassinate 3 U.S. citizens (one a minor), flies at an altitude of 20,000 ft for surveillance and and comes down to 10,000 ft to fire hellfire missiles. You won't even see it at 20,000 ft, you prob won't even see it at 10,000 ft. Small arms can't touch it.

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I also hear they take off and land somewhere that people see them.
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Old 02-05-2013, 17:24   #22
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Old 02-05-2013, 17:36   #23
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Do you think there should be some burden of proof?
It's a war zone, not an episode of "Perry Mason"

You don't want to get killed, don't hang out with the enemy
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Old 02-05-2013, 17:39   #24
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It's a war zone, not an episode of "Perry Mason"

You don't want to get killed, don't hang out with the enemy
Obama knows best. I'm kind of surprised that you put so much faith in him with all your rantings against him.
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Old 02-05-2013, 17:45   #25
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Obama knows best. I'm kind of surprised that you put so much faith in him with all your rantings against him.
Even that blind hog can find an acorn once in a while.

Isn't hard when the acorn is in the enemy camp
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Old 02-05-2013, 18:01   #26
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Obama knows best. I'm kind of surprised that you put so much faith in him with all your rantings against him.
Naturally, Obama is just following GW Bush's program.

What, no shout-out to GW?
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Old 02-05-2013, 18:12   #27
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I also hear they take off and land somewhere that people see them.
This is what happens to mortar teams that try to attack those places

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Old 02-05-2013, 18:23   #28
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This is what happens to mortar teams that try to attack those places

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Old 02-05-2013, 19:18   #29
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The Left needs to decide where they stand. Funny how they complained all day and night about Bush and Obama is just as bad and they say nothing. How's Gitmo's closing coming along?
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Old 02-05-2013, 19:30   #30
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They were probably just tourists that missed the bus back to the cruise ship....

How else would they end up in a terrorist camp in Afghanistan?

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Old 02-05-2013, 19:37   #31
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A lot of people are confused, some think that the constitution should apply in foreign lands, I think the law of land warfare should, since it is the international covenant on such matters.
So if an American citizen goes abroad, he no longer has constitutional rights in regards to the US Government?
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Old 02-05-2013, 19:48   #32
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Well . . . by itself it's not'a bad thing.
But if he was trying to stop people from being able to say whatever they wanted . . . . and if he was against an American's right to have a gun . . . and if his actions leaned heavily in favor of muslims rather than Ameicans . . I think we might be wise to be very concerned about it.
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Old 02-05-2013, 20:01   #33
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So if an American citizen goes abroad, he no longer has constitutional rights in regards to the US Government?
Not just an American citizen, but an American citizen who has been “recently” involved in “activities” posing a threat of a violent attack?

Do you renounce your American citizenship, rights and protections when you declare war upon America?

I'm sure there were some American Germans fighting for the Nazi's back in the day. Don't see how we cut them any special breaks or how they deserved any Constitutional protections.
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Old 02-05-2013, 21:29   #34
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They were probably just tourists that missed the bus back to the cruise ship....

How else would they end up in a terrorist camp in Afghanistan?

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Too bad they were neither in a terrorist camp nor in Afghanistan...

You're all missing the bigger picture. Al-Awaki may have been a bad seed that needed killing. But like it or not, he was an American citizen who wasn't afforded due process.

Must we wait for the one found individually questionable to question the ability of a "high ranking official" and his opinion on the matter? What must the burden of proof be?

I guess all is well, as long as someone "high ranking" decides that when you leave our borders, you can be taken out.

Show me the "clear and present danger" of a man on the lam. Then we can talk about suspension of habeas corpus.
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Old 02-05-2013, 21:30   #35
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Not just an American citizen, but an American citizen who has been “recently” involved in “activities” posing a threat of a violent attack?

Do you renounce your American citizenship, rights and protections when you declare war upon America?

I'm sure there were some American Germans fighting for the Nazi's back in the day. Don't see how we cut them any special breaks or how they deserved any Constitutional protections.
... but we did. Those who weren't killed on a field of battle were afforded a military trail.
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... but we did. Those who weren't killed on a field of battle were afforded a military trail.
Sure, when we controlled the ground.

I've still heard no practical solution to the question: "how do you capture and prosecute an American terrorist in a foreign, hostile country".
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Sure, when we controlled the ground.

I've still heard no practical solution to the question: "how do you capture and prosecute an American terrorist in a foreign, hostile country".
I wish I were smart enough to produce that answer. But I know what the answer ISN'T - it ISN'T allowing a "high ranking official" the final determination on life or death. I'm a simple man, but I don't see the authority for any one man to determine that.

When the military is the "high ranking official", and something resembling proof of a clear and present danger is presented, I'll agree. Until then, allowing some unnamed Washington official the authority to terminate makes me queasy.
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Old 02-05-2013, 23:00   #38
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But, but...... it's okay to kill American citizens with no due process. So says over half the members here!


IMHO- If you are being targeted by a Hellfire from Predator drone in tango-land you have pretty much given up your rights an an American .... so fire away!
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Old 02-05-2013, 23:02   #39
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Naturally, Obama is just following GW Bush's program.

What, no shout-out to GW?


Actually he has taken it much further.
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