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Old 02-06-2013, 13:14   #51
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Would you like to tell me what historical precedent there is for dealing with turncoats who are conspiring with the enemy on foreign soil???

What would you have us do, risk the lives of Special Forces troops to conduct a Bin-laden snatch mission to make sure a turncoat gets back here for due process?

Just let them go about their way and let them help our enemies?

Put them on trial in absentia so that they and the rest of the world knows we are on to them and they have plenty of time to disappear?


These aren't the first turncoats in the history of our Country that got whacked, we are just using an new technology to do it and it's getting more publicity.

No I am not afraid of it being used on citizens in the US. I am safe, they couldn't get through the swarm of black helicopters constantly hovering over my house
If you trust the government to always do the right thing and never abuse it's power, then your naivte and ignorance is off the charts.

So you support Obama killing US citizens? Obama?

If it is never to be used against normal citizens, why are gun owners, ccw holders, and preppers considered terrorist threats by DHS?

Keep giving your rights and freedom away to feel safe, and I'm sure your shepherds will never use it against you.


Actually, pretty soon, your ignorance will begin to not only effect you, but everyone in this country, but by all means, lets give our rights to Obama and shred our COTUS.

Were you born an Authoritarian toolbox, or did you have to work at it?

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Old 02-06-2013, 13:48   #52
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If you trust the government to always do the right thing and never abuse it's power, then your naivte and ignorance is off the charts.

So you support Obama killing US citizens? Obama?

If it is never to be used against normal citizens, why are gun owners, ccw holders, and preppers considered terrorist threats by DHS?

Keep giving your rights and freedom away to feel safe, and I'm sure your shepherds will never use it against you.


Actually, pretty soon, your ignorance will begin to not only effect you, but everyone in this country, but by all means, lets give our rights to Obama and shred our COTUS.

Were you born an Authoritarian toolbox, or did you have to work at it?

I can't decide whether you are just some free-for-all hippie who is upset because traitors got killed or a tin-foil hatter afraid he is going to be next.

Guys like you are truly hilarious, You have grown up in the system we have, you have had all the benefits and taken advantage of all of them.

Here you are exercising your First Amendment right and you are upset because traitor, working with repressive enemies of that right, got killed.

You hunker down in some self built intellectual bunker and claim that everybody else doesn't love freedom as much as you do. You are "Special"

I don't trust the Government, and specifically not Obama's version, but killing traitors nested with the enemy is not exactly a new invention. Waging war is waging war no mater who is in the WH and I am actually, backhandedly rather pleased that he took the step to whack a traitor or two.

Is your problem that you somehow think the folks that got wacked were hero's ?
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Old 02-06-2013, 14:19   #53
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I can't decide whether you are just some free-for-all hippie who is upset because traitors got killed or a tin-foil hatter afraid he is going to be next.

Guys like you are truly hilarious, You have grown up in the system we have, you have had all the benefits and taken advantage of all of them.

Here you are exercising your First Amendment right and you are upset because traitor, working with repressive enemies of that right, got killed.

You hunker down in some self built intellectual bunker and claim that everybody else doesn't love freedom as much as you do. You are "Special"


I don't trust the Government, and specifically not Obama's version, but killing traitors nested with the enemy is not exactly a new invention. Waging war is waging war no mater who is in the WH and I am actually, backhandedly rather pleased that he took the step to whack a traitor or two.

Is your problem that you somehow think the folks that got wacked were hero's ?
The hippie and tin foil hat bit is a little tired, frankly.

I don't claim to hold any intellectual advantage over anyone, being informed differs from being intelligent.

I have my principles and I stick to them, my understanding of this country's original intent and freedom differs from yours.

I've never taken one cent from any government fund or program.

However, I am robbed of the fruits of my labor in order to pay for leeches who wont work, medicare and a social security system I will never see any benefits from because they will be long bankrupted and insolvent by the time I become able to recieve them. I have been enslaved to debt for the rest of my forseeable future, of which will probably be in economic ruin because of the cancerous federal government spending. The money I haven't converted to hard assets will be worthless eventually thanks to the central bank.

All while the Feds try to disarm me and say it's ok to raid my home without a warrant and kill me because I'm a prepper, gun owner or ccw holder.

News flash big guy, this system isn't so great, it is a corrupt and dying whore.
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Old 02-06-2013, 14:37   #54
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I've never taken one cent from any government fund or program.


News flash big guy, this system isn't so great, it is a corrupt and dying whore.
The system and the society kept you safe as a child. It provided the roads that your food was delivered on. It made it possible for you to have a computer and be on the internet,

So call all of that the efforts of a dying whore you silly twit.
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Wow, some of you really leave me at a loss.

We are all aware the government is trying and would like to see us disarmed, correct?

Why do you give the power to kill any American citizen, whether they be on foriegn or domestic soil, to the man that wants to disarm us? Do you understand how stupid that is?

One minute your defending the 2A, "the guvment cant take my gunz", next minute your justifying the power of the government to kill anyone they deem a 'terrorist'. You do realise that DHS expanded domestic terrorist threats to include veterans, gun owners, survivalists, Libertarians, gold buyers, CCW holders, NRA members and even homeschoolers.( I can provide links)

Don't you get it? Everyone on this forum today could be considered a terrorist and killed by a drone by a stroke of Barry's pen!

Neocons are just as responsible for the gov't trying to disarm us the Liberals. You keep giving it power to kill us, but you trust the government you claim to be inefficient and corrupt, to do the right thing and just kill Muslims right?
So, I'm a results kind of guy on this kind of stuff. Show me where they blew up the wrong American citizen, and I'll pay a lot more attention.


Al-Awlaki was a good shoot in my book.



But just for the sake of argument, lets say they fired a helfire at little timmy down the street, and little timmy never hurt anyone, and was completely innocent, what are we going to do about that before it happens to prevent it. Think realistically about it.

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Old 02-06-2013, 15:24   #56
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All of you that support this have no room to ***** when the democrats take away your right to bear arms.
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Old 02-06-2013, 15:28   #57
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All of you that support this have no room to ***** when the democrats take away your right to bear arms.
Awww . . come on Ruble.

Seriously? Really?
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Old 02-06-2013, 16:07   #58
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All of you that support this have no room to ***** when the democrats take away your right to bear arms.
Well then, why haven't you put a stop to this policy?



Let's tiptoe out of that minefield and back into reality for a minute or two. Barry has been doing pretty much what he wants, without any consent from Congress on some of it, what do you suggest I do so that I can avoid culpability in your mind for this going wrong?


I am going to make a trip next week to Washington DC, and visit with my Congressman and both Senators, and might have a meeting with a couple others, I will express to them that I am very much not in favor of anything that approaches a registration or ban. Crazy people not having guns is a little hard to oppose..... Not even sure how to attack that one, but for us sane folks, hands off.

I only have a limited meeting time, 1/2 to 1 hour with a staffer, I have been surprised in the past the actual legislator showing up. I'll let others tackle the drone issue.
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Old 02-06-2013, 16:10   #59
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All of you that support this have no room to ***** when the democrats take away your right to bear arms.
That's OK. I heard their are some nice guys who will let you have an AK if you convert
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I can understand not wanting to do a public trial before killing someone in an organization targeted by a Congressional authorization of military force, but it'd be nice if they at least ran it through the FISA court...same position I take with wiretaps/surveillance of U.S. citizens.
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Time to consult a real expert-- John, are you ready?

http://nation.foxnews.com/drones/201...redUpFoxNation
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put me down in favor of waging war on terrorists, American or otherwise, in the most extreme manner possible.

Should someone engaged in war with the USA get a free pass because they are a citizen.
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Have I taken a wrong turn and ended up in Bizarro World here? People here, (not trolls, PEOPLE), defending this? It's not right in ANYONE'S hands, let alone someone who has made it clear from day one that he sees people like you and me as "the enemy!"

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So you support Obama killing US citizens? Obama?

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You do realise that DHS expanded domestic terrorist threats to include veterans, gun owners, survivalists, Libertarians, gold buyers, CCW holders, NRA members and even homeschoolers.
We're giving the green light and full approval to a man who considers anyone to the right of him a terrorist-in-waiting, full authority to kill anyone he damn well pleases, anyWHERE he damn well pleases? Just because he did it to a guy overseas who probably was an America-hating Islamofascist.

One small right + One BIG wrong =/= Right.

And "even a broken clock is right twice a day."

Doc, if you have an answer to prevent Zero from inventing a reason to drone one of us "bitter clingers" to kingdom come, I'd be all ears. "Assuming he's just going to do it to Islamic terrorists overseas" does not strike me as particularly helpful...
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Have I taken a wrong turn and ended up in Bizarro World here? People here, (not trolls, PEOPLE), defending this? It's not right in ANYONE'S hands, let alone someone who has made it clear from day one that he sees people like you and me as "the enemy!"

I think this can't be stressed enough:



We're giving the green light and full approval to a man who considers anyone to the right of him a terrorist-in-waiting, full authority to kill anyone he damn well pleases, anyWHERE he damn well pleases? Just because he did it to a guy overseas who probably was an America-hating Islamofascist.

One small right + One BIG wrong =/= Right.

And "even a broken clock is right twice a day."

Doc, if you have an answer to prevent Zero from inventing a reason to drone one of us "bitter clingers" to kingdom come,
I'd be all ears. "Assuming he's just going to do it to Islamic terrorists overseas" does not strike me as particularly helpful...

All these 'conservatives' (cough,cough) who are defending this crap still won't tell me why DHS labels gun owners, veterans, gold buyers and preppers as domestic terrorists.

They don't sound like jihadists to me, they sound like normal Americans. Why do they want to give Obama the right to kill them at the drop of a hat?


I'll tell ya why........


So they can feel safe, warm and fuzzy at night. So if a big bad Jihadist wants to blow himself up in downtown America(happens all the time)their fearless leader Obama will call in a drone and save us all!! 'Merica!

They want to trade Constituional rights and law, for the feeling of safety.

No different than the soccer moms who want my AR-15s

Just tell me why folks, why are normal people who do non-terrorist things like prepare for emergencies, own guns, and homeschool their children, are considered terrorists by the
government???????

Why do you want to empower Obama to kill them? They are now labeled domestic terrorists according to Sec. Napolitano.

You are sheep being led to slaughter and praising it as it happens....you poor bastards.

Can't say we didn't warn you.

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Have I taken a wrong turn and ended up in Bizarro World here? People here, (not trolls, PEOPLE), defending this? It's not right in ANYONE'S hands, let alone someone who has made it clear from day one that he sees people like you and me as "the enemy!"

I think this can't be stressed enough:



We're giving the green light and full approval to a man who considers anyone to the right of him a terrorist-in-waiting, full authority to kill anyone he damn well pleases, anyWHERE he damn well pleases? Just because he did it to a guy overseas who probably was an America-hating Islamofascist.

One small right + One BIG wrong =/= Right.

And "even a broken clock is right twice a day."

Doc, if you have an answer to prevent Zero from inventing a reason to drone one of us "bitter clingers" to kingdom come, I'd be all ears. "Assuming he's just going to do it to Islamic terrorists overseas" does not strike me as particularly helpful...
It is a tool. On American soil, not allowed. It is a tool that allows the USA to kill enemy combatants, which is perfectly allowable within the rules of the law of land warfare. Period. Holding an American passport is not a shield that works against hellfire missiles, nor should it be.

I draw the line at people that are questionably enemy combatants, or on American soil.

If you can show that a person was not legitimately targeted, I might be able to see your point. From the reports I have seen, they are hitting the right guys so far.

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Have I taken a wrong turn and ended up in Bizarro World here? People here, (not trolls, PEOPLE), defending this?

Welcome to reality.
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It is a tool. On American soil, not allowed. It is a tool that allows the USA to kill enemy combatants, which is perfectly allowable within the rules of the law of land warfare. Period. Holding an American passport is not a shield that works against hellfire missiles, nor should it be.

I draw the line at people that are questionably enemy combatants, or on American soil.

If you can show that a person was not legitimately targeted, I might be able to see your point. From the reports I have seen, they are hitting the right guys so far.
Here you go.

http://news.antiwar.com/2012/10/24/t...t-to-kill-him/
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Allah will reward him. If he wanted a trial, he should have turned himself in. Alawaki was a traitor killed while engaging in war with America. He was not a "normal" American by any stretch of the imagination.
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SANAA, Yemen American drone strikes in southern Yemen have killed nine Al Qaeda-linked militants, including the media chief for the group's Yemeni branch and the son of a prominent U.S.-born cleric slain in a similar attack last month, government officials and tribal elders said Saturday.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/10...#ixzz2KGulw577

Reports indicate he was not the target, but was in close proximity to the target.

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Welcome to reality.
Yeah, Obama supporters are just running around killing police officers and their families.

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Why don't we go back to B-17s and carpet bombing? It would eliminate this fantasy about "surgical strikes" One bombing run wouldn't have singled anyone out and we could save the silly discussions.
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Why don't we go back to B-17s and carpet bombing? It would eliminate this fantasy about "surgical strikes" One bombing run wouldn't have singled anyone out and we could save the silly discussions.
It would be expensive to build those. Now, we do have quite a few nukes on the shelves that are already paid for, more than we need, and they do have an expiration date.

The next couple of wars we have, we should just nuke 'em till they glow, then shoot them in the dark.
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Reports indicate he was not the target, but was in close proximity to the target.

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Oh well then, that makes it all better. You sound like Robert Fibbs.
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It would be expensive to build those. Now, we do have quite a few nukes on the shelves that are already paid for, more than we need, and they do have an expiration date.

The next couple of wars we have, we should just nuke 'em till they glow, then shoot them in the dark.
OK. that works too. No problems about what to do with old inventory, no accusations of singling anyone out. Much more practical and I will bet a quicker, less expensive and a "More harmonious outcome".

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