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Old 02-05-2013, 15:47   #1
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Hornady 230 gr XTP +P

was all I found in HP at the range, so I got a few boxes for my G30. Thoughts?
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Old 02-05-2013, 16:08   #2
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digilo,

Hornady "Custom" Ammunition
230g XTP HP +P
Velocity - Box listed @ 950 fps / 887.6 fps my 5 shot average from my G21 w/4.60" barrel @ 75 degrees
Standard Deviation: 6.58027
OAL - 1.230"

Factory rounds fired from my Glock 21 were firm but you can still very much maintain control of the pistol. Re-acquiring your target was surprisingly fast shot after shot. I tested accuracy from a gun rest and standing free hand from 7 yards out to 25 yards and could hold a nice tight pattern regardless of the distance tested.

I have since done some reloading using Hornady's 230g XTP HP bullets and I do love the results I get from them as well.

All in all a very good round for target as well as home/self defense in a .45 ACP round.

I hope this helps, good luck and be safe.
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Old 02-05-2013, 16:20   #3
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It's accurate, it will penetrate well and it will have enough speed to give you some expansion.

I like the XTP bullet quite a bit.

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Old 02-05-2013, 16:35   #4
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Expansion to about one and a half caliber, penetration to almost 15", I think the Hornady 230 gr. XTP +P is pretty good stuff and accurate, too.





I carry it often.
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Old 02-05-2013, 17:11   #5
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Not sure 'zactly how much difference, but I really like the Hornady 230gr +P FTX rounds quite a lot. Keep my G30 full with 9+1 for EDC. No worries.
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Old 02-05-2013, 18:41   #6
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Yes Kent (and Steve, Rob, and M7) it helps. My question was, will the XTP expand reliably out of the 30 barrel?

Also, the straight profile of the Hornady round does not inspire confidence. I had some Hornady TAP in 9mm, 124 gr, jam in a S&W M&P 9C- the only ammo out of 7 different kinds to jam the gun. I shot a 50 rd box with maybe 13 -15 jams out the box of 50- none of the others (AE 124 & 147, Speer Lawman 124, Rem GS 124, WWB 115 gr, and Magtech 124) jammed once. It would hang going into the chamber.

After that, I swore off Hornady ammo for autos. I have plenty of FTX 125 and XTP 158 .357 ammo for my revolvers, but have used Winchester and Remington since then. Now, with the scalpers clearing the shelves of ammo, choices are very limited around here. I'd feel better with a bullet with a more rounded profile, BUT, I shot a box of 200 gr XTP today (non +P) with nary a hiccup, and put 10 rds of the +P 230 through it, again with no problem.
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Old 02-05-2013, 18:51   #7
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Yes Kent (and Steve, Rob, and M7) it helps. My question was, will the XTP expand reliably out of the 30 barrel?

Also, the straight profile of the Hornady round does not inspire confidence. I had some Hornady TAP in 9mm, 124 gr, jam in a S&W M&P 9C- the only ammo out of 7 different kinds to jam the gun. I shot a 50 rd box with maybe 13 -15 jams out the box of 50- none of the others (AE 124 & 147, Speer Lawman 124, Rem GS 124, WWB 115 gr, and Magtech 124) jammed once. It would hang going into the chamber.

After that, I swore off Hornady ammo for autos. I have plenty of FTX 125 and XTP 158 .357 ammo for my revolvers, but have used Winchester and Remington since then. Now, with the scalpers clearing the shelves of ammo, choices are very limited around here. I'd feel better with a bullet with a more rounded profile, BUT, I shot a box of 200 gr XTP today (non +P) with nary a hiccup, and put 10 rds of the +P 230 through it, again with no problem.
According to Hornady literature, the .45 cal 230 gr. XTP JHP is designed to expand over a velocity range of 800 fps to 1250 fps, so if your 30 is pushing them faster than 800 fps you should see some (albeit minimal) expansion at the lower end of that range.

Only one way to know how fast they are going (and if they'll function in your gun) for sure- using your gun, you'll have to run a few over a chronograph.
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Old 02-05-2013, 22:39   #8
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I haven't shot any of Hornady's loads... but I load the 230 grain XTP.

The load:

Winchester brass
CCI 300 primer
6.6 grains WSF powder
1.210" Overall length

856 feet per second from a 5" 1911 (TRP)
827 fps from a G30

... and if anyone is interested

824 fps from a Sig P220
876 fps from a G21

All the same batch, all factory barrels, all shot on the same day. Averages for 10 shot groups.
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Old 02-06-2013, 06:50   #9
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Steve,

Thanks for the load data, always gives me something to experiment with.
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Old 02-06-2013, 08:31   #10
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The 230gr XTP is a good bullet all the way around. Penetrates deep and expands nicely. I've shot them in the .45 ACP and the .45 Super too, and even around 1200 fps they still work well.
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I appreciate all teh responses guys. I'd buy a round of beers if I could. :D

The only other thing I'd read that concerned me was a Google search return that led me to the 1911 forum. They were saying that XTPs routinely fail the denim test and don't expand. So I weighed that against all of what you guys wrote, and the other things I'd read.

Not set in stone here, but I concluded last night to stop worrying about it.
*Ammo will come back, and I'll get the Gold Dots or PDX1 I'd normally get.
*Over and over hunters say it expands.
*The denim test is 4 layers. I don't know anyone in hot-n-humid SE Texas who EVER wears 4 layers of denim. All the older bullets fail the 4 layer test (XTP, GS, HS) and so maybe that protocol was introduced just to help sell a new generation of bonded bullets. Cold here is 32 at night, sometimes with a strong cold front we see mid-20s, very rare.

So, with that said, I'm still going to go and get some PDX1 or Gold Dot when I can, but my concerns over the XTP are pretty much laid to rest.
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If I ever go back to carrying my stock M1911A1 .45 ACP pistol, I'll carry this load.
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Old 03-07-2013, 16:01   #13
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i shot about 50 of these through my g30 and they were the most accurate out of the guard dogs and gold dots.
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Old 03-07-2013, 16:21   #14
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*The denim test is 4 layers. I don't know anyone in hot-n-humid SE Texas who EVER wears 4 layers of denim. All the older bullets fail the 4 layer test (XTP, GS, HS) and so maybe that protocol was introduced just to help sell a new generation of bonded bullets.
I forget the name of the CHP Lt who was involved in helping develop "lab testing" conditions that involved the 4-layer denim test.

Bottom line, it wasn't developed to test how bullets performed when people were layered in such clothing (there's a Heavy Clothing test, though, which is "easier" than the 4-layer test conditions).

A strong correlation has been demonstrated between how hollowpoint bullets behave in the 4-layer denim testing ... in their potential for consistency in resisting becoming plugged and expanding in a robust manner ... and how bullets have "performed" in actual shootings.

It's an engineering test. An "acid test", if you will.

It's not perfect, but it's the best sort of test that's available at the moment that can be easily enough replicated by ammo companies and agencies.

Now, how the information may be interpreted by different folks may vary.
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Old 03-07-2013, 19:53   #15
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Speer Gold Dot Short Barrel Ammunition 45 ACP 230 Grain Jacketed Hollow Point...This is what to carry in your little G30. Period.

I carry the "regular" 230 grain Speer Gold Dot in my (gen. 3) G21, and that pistol LOVES that round.
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I hand Load 230gr XTP under 7.7grs Power Pistol in my G36 (same 3.78" tube as G30) I get 907 fps. Plenty Good. For me, very controlable as well. I really like the XTP, and always have. Great bullet on Penetration.

As someone said already, if your getting 800+ fps, there will be 'minimal expansion', and in it's velocity window it (expansion) increases as vels go up, BUT, not very much, some, but not much in media other than gel at least.




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I always believed the XTP was a bullet to use when you require more penetration which is only achieved with minimal expansion. for expanding bullets I use HSTs or Gold Dots.
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Go for it. It is great ammo! But kind of expensive . . . .
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I think the Hornady 230grn. +P will be my woods load although I've been thinking about a 10mm conversion for that job. I was carrying my 23 but there have been more hogs and black bear in my bow hunting areas along with a lot of yotes.
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CanyonMan... "I hand Load 230gr XTP under 7.7grs Power Pistol in my G36 (same 3.78" tube as G30) I get 907 fps. Plenty Good. For me, very controllable as well. I really like the XTP, and always have. Great bullet on Penetration."

I too reload the 230g XTP bullets for my G21. I have used Hodgdon HS6 w/8.0g @ 839.3 fps and Hodgdon Universal w/6.4g @ 942.67 fps.

I am currently running some tests using 230g FMJ & XTP bullets over Winchester WST powder... no results yet.

I'll have to try Power Pistol with this grain bullet... I know I have a bottle of that powder on the shelf somewhere?
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CanyonMan... "I hand Load 230gr XTP under 7.7grs Power Pistol in my G36 (same 3.78" tube as G30) I get 907 fps. Plenty Good. For me, very controllable as well. I really like the XTP, and always have. Great bullet on Penetration."

I too reload the 230g XTP bullets for my G21. I have used Hodgdon HS6 w/8.0g @ 839.3 fps and Hodgdon Universal w/6.4g @ 942.67 fps.

I am currently running some tests using 230g FMJ & XTP bullets over Winchester WST powder... no results yet.

I'll have to try Power Pistol with this grain bullet... I know I have a bottle of that powder on the shelf somewhere?


Start with 7.5grs and work up to the 7.7 grs PP. Like I said. Out of the little G36, 907fps is dang good with a 230gr "anything." shoots great, and I got about 1600 flawless rds of everything loaded this way through it. No damage to anything, and is my carry load "when' i carry it.

Try it out...! Thanks for sharing your as well amigo !

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AS a std cup/core bullet, I like the XTP line. They always expands, but not to a really large frontal area, but always expand. THe other nice thing abotu the Hornady ammo, you can replicate it using store bought components.
I am not a fan of +P ammo though, especially in the lighter/smaller 45s. You get very little gain in effectiveness for the slower/accurate follow up shots.
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fredj338..."I am not a fan of +P ammo though, especially in the lighter/smaller 45s. You get very little gain in effectiveness for the slower/accurate follow up shots..."

I agree, I also am not a huge fan of the "+P" ammo. I have never found much advantage moving a load into that range and the real down-side is as you have mentioned "slower/accurate follow up shots."
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I'd like to know how Hornady gets their advertised velocity. I don't think I've ever seen chrono results within 50fps of their advertised. Their rounds always seem to chrono 80fps slower than advertised.
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I'd like to know how Hornady gets their advertised velocity. I don't think I've ever seen chrono results within 50fps of their advertised. Their rounds always seem to chrono 80fps slower than advertised.
Well... some possibilities:

-They have a fast barrel
-You have a slow barrel
-Little bit of both
-They test in a long 6"+ universal receiver.
-They use a temp sensitive powder and test in Nebraska in the middle of August... you tested in cold weather.
-They lie.
-Your / their chrono sucks or is placed at 25 yards vs 7 yards.



Lots of variables.

The one time I shot a Hornady factory load over my chrono was this load (well, 230 +P TAP) from a 5" 1911. I was getting 930-950 fps.




Don't get wrapped up in advertised velocities... especially with rifle.

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