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Old 02-11-2013, 17:45   #276
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I keep hearing on the news how this guy is mentally unstable, well thats obvious. But whats not obvious is how the LAPD and US Navy were not able to pick up on this during his time in both.
Latent Mental Illness finally triggered by certain events.
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Guys like this can pass for "normal" for quite a while until one day they don't get their way, and they snap.

I'm guessing this guy started to come un-spun, and then he was let go. Only the people close to him might have had a faint idea he was truly unstable. No telling how he got through the hiring process with the LAPD - I am not familiar with their hiring practices and backgrounds. I do know my agency looks pretty close at applicants, and we get an occasional "leaker" too.

Nothing is perfect, and "real" psychos can lay low and look normal for a really long time before blowing up.

I have heard rumors that this guy choked another recruit in the Academy. That makes me wonder why he was retained, but then again I don't know the details there either. All I can gather is from this manifesto, he's got some hurt feelings and figures cold blooded murder of random people will make it better.

Kind of like a demented four year old having a tantrum with access to an automatic rifle. Pretty spooky.

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Old 02-11-2013, 18:15   #278
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Murder charge filed...

Dist. Atty. Paul Zellerbach said Dorner has been charged with one count of murder, with special circumstance allegations in the killing of a peace officer and the discharge of a firearm from a vehicle, in the death of Riverside police Officer Michael Crain, 34, a married father who served two tours in Kuwait as a rifleman in the U.S. Marines.
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I keep hearing on the news how this guy is mentally unstable, well thats obvious. But whats not obvious is how the LAPD and US Navy were not able to pick up on this during his time in both.
There were signs, assuming he is not lying in his rant.

He is violent in situations that don't call for violence:

(1) In first grade he kicked and punched another for calling him the N-word. And he continued the same violence through high school. Yeah, a physical reaction would be very understandable, but this shows a pattern.

(2) While in the academy, in a large van, 2 other officers (cadets?) were talking about (N-word)s. Dorner told them to stop, and they responded they would do it whenever they liked. (They apparently were not referring to Dorner.)

According to Dorner, he went over the front seat, and other officers, to grab the offending idiot by the throat, leading to what sounds like a mÍlťe in the van.
(He says he should have just shot him in the head.)

This second thing, if true, shows a worsening pattern of violence and the lack of self control, and maybe even the thoughts of committing murder.

Inappropriate behavior in that setting - there are others ways of dealing with it. Especially when still in the Academy.

At this point, assuming all is true, I would have dismissed Dorner from the Academy, and black-balled him from law enforcement. He did not have sufficient self-control to handle life as a street cop. (And taken serious action against the other two, up to dismissal, depending on what actually was being said.)

His actions now bear that opinion out.
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Old 02-11-2013, 18:30   #281
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To some degree we will never know what set him off but I have seen people who were pushed and pushed and then they admitted to wanting to kill but never did it. Just wanting to kill does not mean "mental illness". It means that the person was "f'ed" with. He may have run out of money and that was the trigger to push him into despair. We also know that governments are not honest and they will not truly tell the truth in dealing with personnel matters regardless of the person's skin color. In some ways I think he is already dead and that he committed suicide but that is just from reviewing similar typed events. I just hope they find his body alive or dead soon.
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I'm still perplexed by the reason he was fired? He filed a false report about a fellow police officer? I'm just thinking
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Old 02-11-2013, 19:14   #283
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I'm still perplexed by the reason he was fired? He filed a false report about a fellow police officer? I'm just thinking
So, you don't think his current behavior is a bit out of line for every fired cop? Maybe, and I am just guessing here, his actions might have indicated that he didn't exactly have "the right stuff" to be doing the job. IIRC I think I heard he was still on probation when he was terminated, ad the probationary period is just for that evaluation process.
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I'm still perplexed by the reason he was fired? He filed a false report about a fellow police officer? I'm just thinking
Most LE agnecies have a zero tolerance for lying in official investigations or about anything duty related.
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Old 02-11-2013, 19:24   #285
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Now imagine three people, with any modicum of training who slipped across our southern border into the USA, drove 1000+ miles inland, acclimatized to the locality they are in for 18-24 months, built up a cache, only met face to face, planned extensively and decided to make a go at it in a place not as hardened as NYC or L.A.

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Old 02-11-2013, 19:42   #286
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At some point I assume the FBI will become ring master, but at a more granular state each of those listed agencies will continue to push at their own levels while feeding into the feebs.

If memory serves me correct, does CA have something similiar to MN's BCI? CBI? (and no, this is not from TV )
CA has its DOJ with an investigative arm as well as other investigative agencies, but those are all over the place. CA has a lot of peace officer designations such as Dept. of Corporations, Elder Abuse, Welfare Fraud, Insurance, Real Estate, etc., all has their own investigation arm with peace officers.

We have our BNE (CA's DEA) and ABC (CA's Alcohol Control), but no CBI. Not sure who from the state is doing this, might be CHP's investigation arm or DOJ. Who knows.

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I'm guessing this guy started to come un-spun, and then he was let go. Only the people close to him might have had a faint idea he was truly unstable. No telling how he got through the hiring process with the LAPD - I am not familiar with their hiring practices and backgrounds. I do know my agency looks pretty close at applicants, and we get an occasional "leaker" too.
LAPD's process is more intense than the state standard minimum but people can get through anything that is run by humans.
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I'm still perplexed by the reason he was fired? He filed a false report about a fellow police officer? I'm just thinking
You think that someone in law enforcement who was caught filing a false official report should have been retained? It's an ethical issue.
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Old 02-11-2013, 20:34   #288
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I'm still perplexed by the reason he was fired? He filed a false report about a fellow police officer? I'm just thinking
Yep, you get fired for that in a heartbeat. Itís due to a court case known as Brady v. Maryland, 373 U.S. 83 (1963).

In that decision, the court ruled that an accused is entitled to be made aware of all exculpatory evidence that might help their case. This court also ruled that knowing a witness officer has a history of official dishonesty is exculpatory and defense counsel must be provided with this information.

Defense counsel may then question the officers in open court as to the circumstances under which they were previously dishonest. This calls their credibility into question, making them worthless as a witness. If you are worthless as a witness, you can no longer function effectively as a police officer and are terminated.

To get a better idea as to when you can lie and when you canít, take a look at http://www.policechiefmagazine.org/m...ssue_id=102003
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Cops who get "Brady'd" in our area are quickly sent away. Our chief made it clear that any officer caught in a Brady situation will be quickly dismissed.
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It really is domestic terrorism, an individual whose terrorist activities are directed at elements of our government or population without foreign direction.

In this case, personal revenge is the motivation according to what he wrote. Clear his name and the killing stops is the same as holding hostages wanting to exchange them for something or someone of value. Only the hostage is an element of the executive branch of the State of California, City of Los Angeles and related organizations and agencies.

OK, so if this is domestic terrorism, then why isn't the Fort Hood shooting that happened a few years back domestic terrorism? That's something I don't understand....

Are they just throwing around the word terrorism now?
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OK, so if this is domestic terrorism, then why isn't the Fort Hood shooting that happened a few years back domestic terrorism? That's something I don't understand....

Are they just throwing around the word terrorism now?
That's exactly what they are doing.

They didn't call that terrorism because we wouldn't dare call out a Muslim, especially an American one.

AR-15 owners are a much more "terrorist" possibility to the criminals who occupy D.C. than avowed Al-Queda sympathizers are.

In all honesty, if the LAPD finds this guy hiding out with sympathizers somewhere in the So. Cal area and wind up killing everyone, the 92 riots will pale in comparison.

I wouldn't want to be in LA if that happens.

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That's exactly what they are doing.

They didn't call that terrorism because we wouldn't dare call out a Muslim, especially an American one.

AR-15 owners are a much more "terrorist" possibility to the criminals who occupy D.C. than avowed Al-Queda sympathizers are.

In all honesty, if the LAPD finds this guy hiding out with sympathizers somewhere in the So. Cal area and wind up killing everyone, the 92 riots will pale in comparison.

I wouldn't want to be in LA if that happens.

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I don't see how killing two cops is terrorism, it's definitely not right and this guy should get what he deserves but why isnt every gang in cal considered terrorists? I hate these double standards. Shouldn't every gang that kills an officer be considered terrorist? And have trigger happy police and drone operators after them? I honestly think they should.

And sending drones after him? I bet they don't do that after every fallen officer. Something tells me there's more to this and they want this guy dead to cover their asses I guarantee he won't be taken alive.
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I don't see how killing two cops is terrorism, it's definitely not right and this guy should get what he deserves but why isnt every gang in cal considered terrorists? I hate these double standards.

And sending drones after him? I bet they don't do that after every fallen officer. Something tells me there's more to this and they want this guy dead to cover their asses I guarantee he won't be taken alive.
Because gang members are just poor victims of the system. It's not their fault, it's society's fault..

Someone who dares question the system, now that's a terrorist.

Yep, the LAPD is out for an execution, they have made that very clear.


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Because gang members are just poor victims of the system. It's not their fault, it's society's fault..

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It's no wonder this country is going down the toilet.....Sorry edited the post and added more during your reply.
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Can you explain it then?
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Can you explain it then?
Totality of circumstances.

Killing two cops, the manifesto and wreaking havoc on innocent people is good enough to be classified as terrorism.


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I do not remotely work in the judicial system, but,to ALL you LEO's out there. I'm sure you have heard it a hundred, if not a thousand times, but I am grateful for what you folks do everyday. I thank you as I would thank our service men and women, you guys are called to do no less than they. I have travel to many countries and I am proud to say that our LEO's are probably some of the most highly trained and professional men and women in the world. You guys will get that broke dick dog, rest assured, there is no doubt in my mind. Again, thank you for your service.
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Can you explain it then?
No he can't.

I would elaborate but the thread would be closed, and I would either be banned or suspended for a while.

It's been made abundantly clear to me that free speech doesn't fly on Cop Talk.

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I don't see how killing two cops is terrorism, it's definitely not right and this guy should get what he deserves but why isnt every gang in cal considered terrorists? I hate these double standards. Shouldn't every gang that kills an officer be considered terrorist? And have trigger happy police and drone operators after them? I honestly think they should.

And sending drones after him? I bet they don't do that after every fallen officer. Something tells me there's more to this and they want this guy dead to cover their asses I guarantee he won't be taken alive.
Are you being intentionally obtuse? You're talking about the two officers, but what about the girl and her fiance over last weekend? Are they just "random casualties", even though he SPECIFICALLY NAMED targets and their families, and the followed through with it?

This is NOT just about two officers that got shot - though they count, too! No, this is about a guy that's "calling his shots" and then taking those shots.

I can't believe how hard that seems to be for some folks to understand.
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