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Old 02-12-2013, 04:23   #321
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I don't see how killing two cops is terrorism, it's definitely not right and this guy should get what he deserves but why isnt every gang in cal considered terrorists? I hate these double standards. Shouldn't every gang that kills an officer be considered terrorist? And have trigger happy police and drone operators after them? I honestly think they should.

And sending drones after him? I bet they don't do that after every fallen officer. Something tells me there's more to this and they want this guy dead to cover their asses I guarantee he won't be taken alive.
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Old 02-12-2013, 05:50   #322
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From a prosecutorial standpoint, it would be easier to prove the elements of terrorism in the Dorner case, simply because he overtly stated his intent with the Manifesto: He promised to use force and violence to effect political change. That gives the prosecution direct evidence of intent.
I move to change my statement. He stated in his writing that he was attempting to change the culture within the LAPD. I can't speak for CA (I didn't find any statutes for terrorism), but here in AZ that would meet the elements of the crime for terrorism. The US code seems to have some seemingly missing "or's" and I'm not sure what cases have been decided using the definition that would clarify what the court accepts.
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Old 02-12-2013, 06:20   #323
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I certainly hope you do. I have faith that you are one of the good guys. I'm sure that you are a good person and do your duty to the best of your ability.

It's discouraging to read what some officers have gone though with the politics of the job.

Hope you don't have to deal with that BS!

If I was an officer, I would want to work in a smaller department.

I can't imagine the politics that go on behind the scenes with the LAPD!


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Old 02-12-2013, 07:02   #324
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I do not remotely work in the judicial system, but,to ALL you LEO's out there. I'm sure you have heard it a hundred, if not a thousand times, but I am grateful for what you folks do everyday. I thank you as I would thank our service men and women, you guys are called to do no less than they. I have travel to many countries and I am proud to say that our LEO's are probably some of the most highly trained and professional men and women in the world. You guys will get that broke dick dog, rest assured, there is no doubt in my mind. Again, thank you for your service.
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I do not remotely work in the judicial system, but,to ALL you LEO's out there. I'm sure you have heard it a hundred, if not a thousand times, but I am grateful for what you folks do everyday. I thank you as I would thank our service men and women, you guys are called to do no less than they. I have travel to many countries and I am proud to say that our LEO's are probably some of the most highly trained and professional men and women in the world. You guys will get that broke dick dog, rest assured, there is no doubt in my mind. Again, thank you for your service.
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Old 02-12-2013, 07:09   #326
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And shooting unarmed American servicemen and women killing 12 of them shouting "Allah Akhbar" isn't? And doesn't Al Qaeda portrays him as a hero?

You are a thinking person. Thinking people know what terrorism is.
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Old 02-12-2013, 07:22   #328
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Old 02-12-2013, 07:22   #329
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Old 02-12-2013, 07:32   #330
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OK, so if this is domestic terrorism, then why isn't the Fort Hood shooting that happened a few years back domestic terrorism? That's something I don't understand....

Are they just throwing around the word terrorism now?
That is THE PROBLEM!!! That murderous act, had it occurred at a United States Embassy, would have been declared an act of terrorism (after a few days).

Understanding why it is not labeled terrorism, that's a very appropriate discussion topic for Political Issues, not for Cop Talk.

Thanks for pointing that out, JDO.
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Old 02-12-2013, 08:01   #332
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It really is domestic terrorism, an individual whose terrorist activities are directed at elements of our government or population without foreign direction.

In this case, personal revenge is the motivation according to what he wrote. Clear his name and the killing stops is the same as holding hostages wanting to exchange them for something or someone of value. Only the hostage is an element of the executive branch of the State of California, City of Los Angeles and related organizations and agencies.

I'm wondering, since he has been labeled a domestic terrorist would he be a legit target under the new ROE if a drone was able to find him? I wouldn't lose any sleep over it but it does raise some interesting questions.
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I'm wondering, since he has been labeled a domestic terrorist would he be a legit target under the new ROE if a drone was able to find him? I wouldn't lose any sleep over it but it does raise some interesting questions.
No, the published criteria would prohibit that.
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Old 02-12-2013, 08:42   #334
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I'm wondering, since he has been labeled a domestic terrorist would he be a legit target under the new ROE if a drone was able to find him? I wouldn't lose any sleep over it but it does raise some interesting questions.
Media has what is call a style book, where you call things PC Names to make everyone feel good.

People who want abortion, or are for abortion are called Pro Choice, NOT NON PC Pro Abortion as an Abortion is a Choice.

To label this fellow, "a domestic terrorist" would not be PC, plus he is a minority, and being so deserves special privledges because I am sure some relative was in some time long ago wronged, or was an indentured servant or slave.

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I can't agree that this is terrorism. It's threats, made to a specific group of people, some of which he made good on. There is no political, economic, or religious motivation behind his actions, just good, old fashioned revenge (albeit unjustified).


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He seems to mention a lot of progressive heroes in his manifesto. He has set the cities on edge so yeah I can see how it could be domestic terrorism. Regardless if it is or not, a rabid dog needs to be put down.
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To label this fellow, "a domestic terrorist" would not be PC, plus he is a minority, and being so deserves special privledges because I am sure some relative was in some time long ago wronged, or was an indentured servant or slave.
Thank you so much for that input......
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Thank you so much for that input......

Yes the input is real, the mail stream media do use style books to make everything PC, offending as few as possible, and not PC in my world, but I still like thing the way there were in the 1950's, and 1960's.
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Yes the input is real, the mail stream media do use style books to make everything PC, offending as few as possible, and not PC in my world, but I still like thing the way there were in the 1950's, and 1960's.
Oh. You mean when folks didn't discuss sensitive issues because they were "dirty?"


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To some degree we will never know what set him off but I have seen people who were pushed and pushed and then they admitted to wanting to kill but never did it. Just wanting to kill does not mean "mental illness". It means that the person was "f'ed" with. He may have run out of money and that was the trigger to push him into despair. We also know that governments are not honest and they will not truly tell the truth in dealing with personnel matters regardless of the person's skin color. In some ways I think he is already dead and that he committed suicide but that is just from reviewing similar typed events. I just hope they find his body alive or dead soon.
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Media has what is call a style book, where you call things PC Names to make everyone feel good.

People who want abortion, or are for abortion are called Pro Choice, NOT NON PC Pro Abortion as an Abortion is a Choice.

To label this fellow, "a domestic terrorist" would not be PC, plus he is a minority, and being so deserves special privledges because I am sure some relative was in some time long ago wronged, or was an indentured servant or slave.
The press may not be, the LAPD on the other hand ...

This is an act, make no mistake about it, of domestic terrorism,” said LAPD Chief Charlie Beck, who said the bounty was the largest in the history of Los Angeles.

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nati...#ixzz2KhwzuBxm
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