Illustrated Contradictions.

***TKM*** · 02-03-2013, 14:05

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FCoulter · 02-03-2013, 14:09

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It didnt work for me.

However, I would gladly refute any so called contradictions one might preset in thee Bible.

juggy4711 · 02-03-2013, 14:45

The OT and the NT are quite contradictory. Just read them, no illustrations needed.

FCoulter · 02-03-2013, 15:51

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The OT and the NT are quite contradictory. Just read them, no illustrations needed.

Oh really? How about some examples?

juggy4711 · 02-03-2013, 16:01

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Oh really? How about some examples?

1st Commandment. Only one God. Not a father, a son and a holy spirit. You can parse that however you want but the Jews disagree. You know the folks that can actually read and write the language of the OT. Yet I'm sure you know better than they do.

FCoulter · 02-04-2013, 05:43

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1st Commandment. Only one God. Not a father, a son and a holy spirit. You can parse that however you want but the Jews disagree. You know the folks that can actually read and write the language of the OT. Yet I'm sure you know better than they do.

Well John 17 clearly shows how the God Family is one. One in thought and action, the 1st commandment does NOT say only one God in personage.

Next please.

Vic Hays · 02-04-2013, 05:56

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1st Commandment. Only one God. Not a father, a son and a holy spirit. You can parse that however you want but the Jews disagree. You know the folks that can actually read and write the language of the OT. Yet I'm sure you know better than they do.

The Jews disagree and yet they are still waiting for the Messiah to appear that was promised to appear in the temple destroyed in 60 A D. Maybe they missed something?

Why must God appear as we expect Him rather than as He chooses?

John 14:7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.
John 14:8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Show us the Father?
John 14:10 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself: but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works.

JBnTX · 02-04-2013, 07:31

The Bible was written by over 30 different authors in a 1500 year time span. There are going to be different viewpoints and interpretations.

The real "truth" in the Bible is found at a higher level than squabbling over the so called contradictions and picking apart individual concepts and verses.

FCoulter · 02-04-2013, 10:04

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Originally Posted by JBnTX

The Bible was written by over 30 different authors in a 1500 year time span. There are going to be different viewpoints and interpretations.

The real "truth" in the Bible is found at a higher level than squabbling over the so called contradictions and picking apart individual concepts and verses.

Sorry but thats not true according to God. ALL scripture is inspired or God breathed.

Are you saying God would let His inspired Word to be written down wrong?

***Geko45*** · 02-04-2013, 10:20

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Oh really? How about some examples?

There are 439 examples in the image that only you can't seem to download.

Glock36shooter · 02-04-2013, 10:39

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Oh really? How about some examples?

Careful... if you disagree with us we're going to report you for trolling. We don't like it when people disagree with us... it makes us feel like we're being oppressed and attacked.

Glock36shooter · 02-04-2013, 10:41

Maybe this will help...

Glock36shooter · 02-04-2013, 10:47

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Well John 17 clearly shows how the God Family is one. One in thought and action, the 1st commandment does NOT say only one God in personage.

Next please.

What I find funny is that your particular flavor of Christianity is a reimagining of someone else's religion. The earliest parts of the OT were invented and used as dogma for a thousand years and then John comes along as says "No no... see this is how it really went down." And you wonder why some Jews find those ideas insulting. Your John comes along and tells them that their God was really your Christ.

Glock36shooter · 02-04-2013, 10:49

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Sorry but thats not true according to God. ALL scripture is inspired or God breathed.

Are you saying God would let His inspired Word to be written down wrong?

So what about the Gospels that men tossed out?

Glock36shooter · 02-04-2013, 11:04

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BTW this is awesome. Thank you.

JBnTX · 02-04-2013, 11:15

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Sorry but thats not true according to God. ALL scripture is inspired or God breathed.

Are you saying God would let His inspired Word to be written down wrong?

Did you even read my post?
Do you need a third grader to explain it to you?

The Bible was written by over 30 different authors in a 1500 year time span. There are going to be different viewpoints and interpretations.

The real "truth" in the Bible is found at a higher level than squabbling over the so called contradictions and picking apart individual concepts and verses.

***Geko45*** · 02-04-2013, 11:40

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However, I would gladly refute any so called contradictions one might preset in thee Bible.

Here's one in particular. Luke follows Jesus's genealogy back through Nathan (son of David), but Matthew traces it back through Solomon (also son of David). So which one was it?

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the son of Melea, the son of Menna, the son of Mattatha, the son of Nathan, the son of David

Luke 3:31

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and Jesse the father of King David. David was the father of Solomon, whose mother had been Uriah’s wife,

Matthew 1:6

void * · 02-04-2013, 11:51

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Originally Posted by JBnTX

The Bible was written by over 30 different authors in a 1500 year time span. There are going to be different viewpoints and interpretations.

The real "truth" in the Bible is found at a higher level than squabbling over the so called contradictions and picking apart individual concepts and verses.

If it's the word of a perfect, all knowing, all powerful deity, would not that deity be able to prevent such contradictions?

I do not know if you personally subscribe to a literal interpretation of the Bible, but at the very least, such contradictions indicate that a literal 'every single word is true' interpretation cannot be the case, because if it were, there would be no such contradictions.

It being written by over 30 different authors in a 1500 year time span, with different viewpoints and interpretations is entirely consistent with what we observe. It's the 'different viewpoints and interpretations' bit that tends to indicate a work of men, and not of men divinely inspired by a deity.

scottz0369 · 02-04-2013, 12:23

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Here's one in particular. Luke follows Jesus's genealogy back through Nathan (son of David), but Matthew traces it back through Solomon (also son of David). So which one was it?

One follows the geneology of Joseph, and the other the geneology of Mary, so both are likely accurate but stated from different perspectives.

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void * · 02-04-2013, 12:34

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One follows the geneology of Joseph, and the other the geneology of Mary, so both are likely accurate but stated from different perspectives.

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Luke starts with Jesus and goes up.

"And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being (as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli, which was the son of Matthat"

Luke 3 starts at Abraham and goes down to Jesus (skipping a bunch here) ->
".. and Eli'ud begat Ele-a'zar; and Ele-a'zar begat Matthan; and Matthan begat Jacob; and Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born Jesus, who is called Christ."

Both have Joseph right above Jesus in the genealogy. What's the justification for saying that one is Mary's genealogy and the other is Joseph's?

scottz0369 · 02-04-2013, 12:38

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So what about the Gospels that men tossed out?

They were "tossed" by early christians for a variety of reasons: late dating, contradictory to eyewitness accounts, etc. In the case of the Gospel of Judas, the earliest example dates to well after a century of when Judas died, not the case of the much earlier eyewitness gospels. Irenaeus spoke of the Gospel of Judas in his Refutation of All Heresies (chapter XXXI, about 180AD).

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scottz0369 · 02-04-2013, 12:39

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Did you even read my post?
Do you need a third grader to explain it to you?

The Bible was written by over 30 different authors in a 1500 year time span. There are going to be different viewpoints and interpretations.

The real "truth" in the Bible is found at a higher level than squabbling over the so called contradictions and picking apart individual concepts and verses.

Do your comments promote peace or strife? Something to consider.

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poikilotrm · 02-04-2013, 12:44

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The Bible was written by over 30 different authors in a 1500 year time span. There are going to be different viewpoints and interpretations.

Earth's gravity has an average acceleration of 981cm/s/s. 30 different rational researchers spread out over 1500 years would all come to the same conclusion, regardless of viewpoint.

Glock36shooter · 02-04-2013, 13:12

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They were "tossed" by early christians for a variety of reasons: late dating, contradictory to eyewitness accounts, etc. In the case of the Gospel of Judas, the earliest example dates to well after a century of when Judas died, not the case of the much earlier eyewitness gospels. Irenaeus spoke of the Gospel of Judas in his Refutation of All Heresies (chapter XXXI, about 180AD).

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Which gospels are dated to the day of Christ's death? Or at least the year? They were all written afterward so I don't see what the dating of the "earliest" copy has to do with anything. This also doesn't mean it was the first copy either.

When did God charge Irenaeus of choosing what is heresy and what is not? Or perhaps a better question is by what authority does Irenaeus become the arbiter of what is heresy and what is not?

scottz0369 · 02-04-2013, 13:58

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Which gospels are dated to the day of Christ's death? Or at least the year? They were all written afterward so I don't see what the dating of the "earliest" copy has to do with anything. This also doesn't mean it was the first copy either.

When did God charge Irenaeus of choosing what is heresy and what is not? Or perhaps a better question is by what authority does Irenaeus become the arbiter of what is heresy and what is not?

The earlier the copy is to the event tends to authenticate its reliability. The number of copies do the same. That's a simplistic explanation I admit, but I'm typing this on my phone during a break. I'd recommend doing some research on the subject of ancient documents and the criteria scholars use to determine how reliable and authentic a particular ancient document is prior to rejecting the dating of the gospels. You may be surprised at what you find by following the evidence where it leads without presupposition.

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