[Teecher45]

Originally Posted by samuse

If you're really serious about the Lightweight Commander sized 1911s, then I think you need to be looking at Wilson Combat or Springfield Custom.

I think you're really looking for a Glock 19 though...

You shouldn't pretend to think you know what I'm looking for.
I've got a G27, a G21 and a 92F, and a few revolvers. I'm NOT looking for a 9mm to CC.
I am really wanting an officers model, lightweight, with an accessory rail, as dependable as a G19.
Doesn't exist. I've looked.
And, if you would actually read the OP. I asked for a base model to build as money became available.
Thank you to those who have actually tried to help.


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[fnfalman]

Originally Posted by Teecher45

MajorD, that could be the downfall for me. I don't love the idea of my pistol deciding which bullet I can use for SD.

Well, get used to that idea. Not every pistol would feed every type of ammunition, not even the vaunted Glocks.

However, it doesn't take much to chamfer the chamber and polish the feed ramp on an M1911 to take most bullet profiles.

[ilgunguygt]

Originally Posted by fnfalman

Well, get used to that idea. Not every pistol would feed every type of ammunition, not even the vaunted Glocks.

However, it doesn't take much to chamfer the chamber and polish the feed ramp on an M1911 to take most bullet profiles.

It really all depends on the gun. My G21 will feed anything, as will all of the 1911s I own. My uncle has a colt1991 that will not feed any hollowpoints except gold dots and will not feed a SWC or a TC bullet profile at all. My XD45 will not work at all with SWC. The first round off the mag feeds and fires fine. Upon extraction it jams the empty in so tight to the top round in the magazine you have to practically beat the thing open.

[Short Cut]

Originally Posted by Teecher45

And, if you would actually read the OP. I asked for a base model to build as money became available.
Thank you to those who have actually tried to help.

I'd venture a guess that you've received a lot of suggestions of guns that are over budget because it takes a certain level of time=$ to fit a 1911 together well. One can start with an inexpensive 1911 and add quality parts over time, but still won't get the slide to frame fit, front strap checkering, barrel, bushing mating etc. To take an inexpensive gun and have it fit correctly from a good gunsmith would go way over the dollars it would have taken to start with a more well build pistol.

That doesn't mean that 1911s like the S&W PD1911 lightweight commander aren't competent or can't get the job done, I trusted one enough to carry it for awhile, however it isn't nearly as nice the Baer I pictured earlier and I just don't see the path to get from the first to the second incrementally over time.

Anyway, just wanted to point out that just because a suggestion might not seem the best fit for what you're asking it doesn't mean that the folks making it aren't trying to be of assistance.

[fnfalman]

Originally Posted by ilgunguygt

It really all depends on the gun. My G21 will feed anything, as will all of the 1911s I own. My uncle has a colt1991 that will not feed any hollowpoints except gold dots and will not feed a SWC or a TC bullet profile at all. My XD45 will not work at all with SWC. The first round off the mag feeds and fires fine. Upon extraction it jams the empty in so tight to the top round in the magazine you have to practically beat the thing open.

Exactly my point. It depends on the guns.

My Glock 17 did not like Black Talons back in the days.

MY P220 didn't like Hydra-Shok.

[Teecher45]

Originally Posted by Short Cut

I'd venture a guess that you've received a lot of suggestions of guns that are over budget because it takes a certain level of time=$ to fit a 1911 together well. One can start with an inexpensive 1911 and add quality parts over time, but still won't get the slide to frame fit, front strap checkering, barrel, bushing mating etc. To take an inexpensive gun and have it fit correctly from a good gunsmith would go way over the dollars it would have taken to start with a more well build pistol.

That doesn't mean that 1911s like the S&W PD1911 lightweight commander aren't competent or can't get the job done, I trusted one enough to carry it for awhile, however it isn't nearly as nice the Baer I pictured earlier and I just don't see the path to get from the first to the second incrementally over time.

Anyway, just wanted to point out that just because a suggestion might not seem the best fit for what you're asking it doesn't mean that the folks making it aren't trying to be of assistance.

Well, those are good points that I hadn't considered.
But, it brings up more questions from someone that knows next to nothing about 1911's.
Does the frame to slide fit (and those other things you mentioned) hinder accuracy or reliability? Both?
If I bought a SA (or Colt, or such...) and then had a certified gunsmith fluff and buff it would that void the warranty from the manufacturers?
I was taking for granted I could add parts as money became available, but the way it sounds it just wouldn't be the same.

[samuse]

Originally Posted by Teecher45

Well, those are good points that I hadn't considered.
But, it brings up more questions from someone that knows next to nothing about 1911's.
Does the frame to slide fit (and those other things you mentioned) hinder accuracy or reliability? Both?
If I bought a SA (or Colt, or such...) and then had a certified gunsmith fluff and buff it would that void the warranty from the manufacturers?
I was taking for granted I could add parts as money became available, but the way it sounds it just wouldn't be the same.

Frame to slide fit doesn't have much to do with accuracy... As long as it's not excessively loose which is a pretty rare occurence.

There's not too many 'certified gunsmiths' I'd trust to fluff 'n buff on my carry gun. If you want to rely on the manufacturer, Springfield Armory is tops in my experience. I've had many good experiences with their custom shop.

Adding parts as money becomes available can be problematic with a 1911 since so many of the parts have to be fit together to work properly, not to mention finished or refinished after they're fit.

That's why I always recommend a ground-up build by a good 'smith (which can take a year+ if they're even accepting work), or preferably a custom by Wilson or Springfield. They build working guns and can turn out a good running compact.

I'm a little jaded when it comes to 1911s. I have fairly high standards for my carry/training pistols. After having tried to use 'em as a primary for quite some time, with less than satisfactory results, I ultimately ended up selecting a different platform to rely on day-to-day.

[Teecher45]

Samuse, what did you end up going with?


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[mykylg30]

i have a para gi expert and it is great.shoots great (accurate, feeds good.) however doesnt like jhp's but i expect that from a 1911. so as far as i know from mine, a para warthog would be a sweet carry 1911.

[samuse]

Originally Posted by Teecher45

Samuse, what did you end up going with?


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Glock 19 / Sig P229.

[Teecher45]

Good choices samuse.
But I have to ask, why not a 1911 for everyday carry?

[samuse]

Originally Posted by Teecher45

Good choices samuse.
But I have to ask, why not a 1911 for everyday carry?

Too big, too heavy, not consistently reliable enough for me to trust.

Honestly, given the price and performance of the popular handguns today, running the 1911s made me feel like a fool.

[faawrenchbndr]

Originally Posted by samuse

Too big, too heavy, not consistently reliable enough for me to trust.

Honestly, given the price and performance of the popular handguns today, running the 1911s made me feel like a fool.

Wow,........respect your I opinions, but I can not agree with that.
The Sig 229 is a heck of a lot bulkier than a 1911, heavy, fat, poor trigger.

As long as those choices work for YOU, that is all that matters!

[samuse]

Originally Posted by faawrenchbndr

Wow,........respect your I opinions, but I can not agree with that.
The Sig 229 is a heck of a lot bulkier than a 1911, heavy, fat, poor trigger.

As long as those choices work for YOU, that is all that matters!

It's thicker in the slide and grip, and it's a bit heavier than a Glock 19, which is what I usually carry.

As far as the trigger....

I've never met one I couldn't use well. It's very nice being able to shoot any handgun well without having to have a 1911-ish trigger.

[Teecher45]

Well, I'm thinking I'm gonna wait a couple of months and get a DW CCO.
Now, for those questions. Remember, I'm a Glock guy.
Anyone have one and have tried numerous types of HP's? Overall did most of them feed well?
I know it is an officers frame, but will it work with a standard size mag?
What about a 10 round mag for the end table at night?
Anyone make a good reliable mag that fills the space under the mag well (kinda like a sleeve for the higher capacity mags used on a compact Glock) that doesn't look as bad? Not just metal hanging out the magwell.
As the new legislation is being bounced back and forth, the Glocks (and accessories) are getting way overpriced and very hard to find. Is the same true for 1911's?
Best 1911 mags?
I know nothing about 1911's except that as I am getting older I am wanting one more and more.
PS, I know better pistols are made, but honestly $1500 ish is probably the most I'll ever pay for a pistol. Thank you.

[ferretray]

Originally Posted by Teecher45

I want a 1911, but I want one of those that works. Every time, all of the time.
A little background. I've owned six 1911's. Two springfield's (1 loaded that was pretty bad as far as not liking hollow points, and an operator with rail that wouldn't eject), one kimber (that was the best shooting pistol I've ever owned but wouldn't work at all with HP's), and 3 Colts. Now, I must profess a liking for Colt. My father used to have an old Cold Govt. that was great as far as reliability goes but lost it in a robbery several years ago. I also have a 6920. So I bought a blued Govt. and it was pretty bad as far as accuracy goes. Since then I've had two Lightweight Commanders and one wouldn't eject a whole magazine to save its (or my) life, the other wouldn't keep 3 out of 5 rounds on a paper plate from 10 yards. I really, really wanted to love my blued commander (IMO the most beautiful gun I've ever owned) but just couldn't trust it. All above pistols were broken-in.
So now, I want try it again, except this time I will be more patient. I will even send them back to the factory if need be. Then I will want to have a little work done here and there by a qualified gunsmith.
This will be my everything pistol, CC, HD, range. Would like it to be lightweight, and commander length. Made in USA (just cause), and blued (just cause). Last, but not least, I want it to be as accurate and reliable as my G-21 (for those that have shot one).
So I guess what I'm asking is what would be the best base pistol that fits my description to be tweaked (bob tailed) later? And let's keep it around 1 grand for now.
Thanks guys.

Sorry you're having such bad luck with your 1911 experiences.
Lost track of how many Colts I've had over the years. From the Government down to Defender size. Only problem I've ever had was BTFwith the little Defender and got that squared-away quick.
Wish you luck going forward.

[Teecher45]

Thanks ferretray. I too hope my luck changes.

[Teecher45]

Originally Posted by Teecher45

Well, I'm thinking I'm gonna wait a couple of months and get a DW CCO.
Now, for those questions.
I know it is an officers frame, but will it work with a standard size mag?
What about a 10 round mag for the end table at night?
Anyone make a good reliable mag that fills the space under the mag well (kinda like a sleeve for the higher capacity mags used on a compact Glock) that doesn't look as bad? Not just metal hanging out the magwell.
As the new legislation is being bounced back and forth, the Glocks (and accessories) are getting way overpriced and very hard to find. Is the same true for 1911's?
Best 1911 mags?
I know nothing about 1911's except that as I am getting older I am wanting one more and more.
PS, I know better pistols are made, but honestly $1500 ish is probably the most I'll ever pay for a pistol. Thank you.

Well, a bump because I really want to know. Please see questions above...

[samuse]

Originally Posted by Teecher45

Well, a bump because I really want to know. Please see questions above...

I think Wilson Combat might make a magazine like that.

I've had the best luck with Wilson 47s and CMC Powermags.

I had a 2010 Dan Wesson VBOB. It didn't run well at all.

Good luck.

[Teecher45]

Okay, so I brought home a SR 1911 Commander. Yeah, I was surprised too. Heading home to clean it.
Now who makes a good dependable 10 round mag for it.


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[seanmac45]

Congrats on your acquisition.

Wilson Combat makes 10 rounders and I believe they have a model with a fitted stop to prevent you from over inserting the mag.

[QNman]

Chip McCormick's seem good... but I would defer to the others here, as I haven't put too may mags down range yet.