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Old 02-13-2013, 06:22   #61
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I find it funny when people say a .45 acp can't fit inside a G19 sized pistol. S&W sure did a good job of doing just that with the M&P 45 compact.
Not to mention the XDs, as small or smaller than anything GLOCK makes, including their .380s.
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Old 02-13-2013, 06:58   #62
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Old 02-13-2013, 07:02   #63
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The last gun I bought was not stocked by the dealer. They ordered it. I am guessing that dealers also could order ammunition that they did not have in stock. But that is just a guess.
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Old 02-13-2013, 07:08   #64
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I don't know why folks feel the need to bash a specific caliber or firearm unless they have had a very negative experience with one.
I guess it's a guy thing: "Mine's better (bigger) than yours.". Ever been in a Ford/Chevy/Dodge debate?

(Or am I showing my age by asking that question? )


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Old 02-13-2013, 07:20   #65
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I am guessing that dealers also could order ammunition that they did not have in stock. But that is just a guess.
That's what my LGS did when I asked for a couple boxes of .45GAP Gold Dot.


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Old 02-13-2013, 07:32   #66
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The last gun I bought was not stocked by the dealer. They ordered it. I am guessing that dealers also could order ammunition that they did not have in stock. But that is just a guess.
Love it! Well said.

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I guess it's a guy thing: "Mine's better (bigger) than yours.". Ever been in a Ford/Chevy/Dodge debate?

(Or am I showing my age by asking that question? )

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I do get that. But for some reason, there are folks who seem to live to bash GAP. It's almost like they're threatened by it. You don't see the same type of response when 10MM, 357 Sig and the like are discussed.
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I have never seen GAP ammo available locally. If internet sales are banned, yes many will find it difficult to find GAP ammo. I'm happy you have 1000 rounds, good for you!
Ask your local LGS to carry it. Bet they will.
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I find it funny when people say a .45 acp can't fit inside a G19 sized pistol. S&W sure did a good job of doing just that with the M&P 45 compact.
If Glock ditched their polymer covered magazine, they could do it too. That contributes to chunky grips of the glock line.
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If Glock ditched their polymer covered magazine, they could do it too. That contributes to chunky grips of the glock line.
Ridiculous. Post some measurements, to prove your point. Glock's polymer covered mags don't feel any different from any other double stack mag. Double stack mags that hold 17 rounds, contained within the grip, don't make them feel any chunkier than any other mag.
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If Glock ditched their polymer covered magazine, they could do it too. That contributes to chunky grips of the glock line.
I call BS on that, sorry. My chunky opinion.


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Ridiculous. Post some measurements, to prove your point. Glock's polymer covered mags don't feel any different from any other double stack mag. Double stack mags that hold 17 rounds, contained within the grip, don't make them feel any chunkier than any other mag.
Now that makes sense. Try holding a M9, it's chubby too.

Glock has no grip panels for one, and if the grip "is" a little
wide I'll take it for 15rds in a compact 9mm.

Oh, and on topic, the 45 GAP isn't going no where. LEO are using it
and liking it. After I get my G32 my next goal is a G38
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Old 02-14-2013, 21:33   #71
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I find it funny when people say a .45 acp can't fit inside a G19 sized pistol. S&W sure did a good job of doing just that with the M&P 45 compact.
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M&P 45 Compact:

Width - 1.2" Thicker than the G19 at 1.18
Length - 7.55" Longer than the G19 at 7.28
Weight 26.2 oz - Heavier than the G38 45GAP at 24.16
It is shorter, but then again, I can't get all my fingers comfortably on it like I can the G19.

KAHR does make one that is smaller, but the G19 size is such a perfect balance of so many things.
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Old 02-14-2013, 21:45   #72
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I can't get all my fingers comfortably on it like I can the G19.

KAHR does make one that is smaller, but the G19 size is such a perfect balance of so many things.
It is isn't it. In fact I'm building my compact collection.

19/23 so far. G32 next and last a G38. I like to CCW
all my pistols and they conceal great and fit my large
hands quite well.
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Old 02-15-2013, 01:16   #73
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M&P 45 Compact:

Width - 1.2" Thicker than the G19 at 1.18
Length - 7.55" Longer than the G19 at 7.28
Weight 26.2 oz - Heavier than the G38 45GAP at 24.16
It is shorter, but then again, I can't get all my fingers comfortably on it like I can the G19.

KAHR does make one that is smaller, but the G19 size is such a perfect balance of so many things.
I don't think KAHR makes a pistol with a double stack mag. They can be much smaller with narrow mags.
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Old 02-15-2013, 06:58   #74
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How does a metal mag. compromise the round count and what "issue" does it solve?

Metal mags would eat the mag. release up, in no time.

The 45 ACP will not fit in a 19 size frame, for a real G19 grip.

Austin,

Using a metal mag would avoid compromising the round count while allowing the pistol frame to be slimmed considerably. This is because there is alot of room taken up by the polymer coating over a metal frame in the current magazines. In addition, using a novel magazine spring like the "Caracal" design where in it winds upon itself in a spiral like fashion minimize volume lost from spring compression allowing for 1 or 2 additional rounds.

Easy fix for the mag release. Look at the Caracal.

The .45 in a G19 would be close enough as evidenced by what they did to the "SF" frame guns. If you did incorporate a metal mag it would make it easy to do that as you would gain about 2.5mm front to back in the magwell.
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Old 02-15-2013, 07:05   #75
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Austin,

The caracal subcompact is the width of the Kahr and it holds 13 rounds. Wonder how they did that?
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If Glock ditched their polymer covered magazine, they could do it too. That contributes to chunky grips of the glock line.
That was my initial impression as well, but then if you think about it:

M&P Compact .45 = 8 rounds
GLOCK 38 .45 = 8 rounds

The only thing that would be needed to make a .45 ACP GLOCK 38 is to make the magazine and frame longer front to back. The width would not have to change. Add to that, that it would seem the lower pressure .45 ACP would allow for a slimmer slide, ALA G36 and G30S, which has been stated is not doable in .45 GAP.

LOL, that's my proposal for the GLOCK 40, 41 and 42

Why not? HK did something similar when they went from the 12 round USP .45 to the 10 Round HK 45.
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The caracal subcompact is the width of the Kahr and it holds 13 rounds. Wonder how they did that?
Maybe the grip is 3 feet long...
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The only thing that would be needed to make a .45 ACP GLOCK 38 is to make the magazine and frame longer front to back. The width would not have to change. Add to that, that it would seem the lower pressure .45 ACP would allow for a slimmer slide, ALA G36 and G30S, which has been stated is not doable in .45 GAP.
Again, that was considering the old single recoil spring technology. With the new dual recoil spring on the Gen 4 guns, it is quite possible that the slide could be narrower on the ACP and GAP pistols.
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The caracal subcompact is the width of the Kahr and it holds 13 rounds. Wonder how they did that?
They didn't

The KAHR is slimmer (1.01" compared to 1.1")

And that is comparing the KAHR 45 to the Caracal 9mm. Caracal does not make a 45.

The KAHR PM9 is only .9" wide and almost a full inch shorter.
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They didn't

The KAHR is slimmer (1.01" compared to 1.1")

And that is comparing the KAHR 45 to the Caracal 9mm. Caracal does not make a 45.

The KAHR PM9 is only .9" wide and almost a full inch shorter.
Thank you, sir. That's how internet rumors, get started.
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