Pope Resigns

humanguerrilla · 02-11-2013, 04:31

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013...-live-reaction

So if the St. Malachy prophecy is correct we get Peter the Roman the last pope?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prophecy_of_the_Popes

pugman · 02-11-2013, 05:15

I'm surprised he lasted this long-not so much his age but at the time of his election didn't they say Pope John Paul II was so loved they wanted someone in there for only a short period of time sort of like a "buffer?"

On the date of his election he was quoted as saying ""At a certain point, I prayed to God 'please don't do this to me'...Evidently, this time He didn't listen to me."

The man didn't want the job in the first place.

***Geko45*** · 02-11-2013, 08:35

It's been 600 years since a pope resigned. It's just not done. My guess is an internal political power stuggle in the church.

Roering · 02-11-2013, 10:05

Surprising but understandable. Typically you do keep the position until your last breath but I've always thought it a bad practice to maintain the position when you are clearly not capable of functioning at the necessary level.

On a personal note I'll miss having him as my Pope. He was in some ways perfect for the position and a much needed flavor of orthodoxy after JPII.

Roering · 02-11-2013, 10:11

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It's been 600 years since a pope resigned. It's just not done. My guess is an internal political power stuggle in the church.

Is this going to turn in to a tinfoil hat/Davinci Code thread?

***Geko45*** · 02-11-2013, 10:55

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Is this going to turn in to a tinfoil hat/Davinci Code thread?

No need for a conspiracy theory for what can be explained by ordinary politics. At least they didn't poison him like they did in the old days.

muscogee · 02-11-2013, 18:52

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Originally Posted by Roering

Surprising but understandable. Typically you do keep the position until your last breath but I've always thought it a bad practice to maintain the position when you are clearly not capable of functioning at the necessary level.

On a personal note I'll miss having him as my Pope. He was in some ways perfect for the position and a much needed flavor of orthodoxy after JPII.

The problem with orthodoxy is that it tends to be inflexible in a world that is in constant and ever accelerating change.

Gunhaver · 02-11-2013, 19:46

A replacement has already been chosen...

steveksux · 02-12-2013, 12:05

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Originally Posted by Geko45

It's been 600 years since a pope resigned. It's just not done. My guess is an internal political power stuggle in the church.

Not exactly...

There are rules regarding when a Pope can resign, saw an article today. He cannot be forced or pressured, and he must be of sound mind. That's the good news.

On the other hand it means if he was not of sound mind, he'd still be Pope...

Randy

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Altaris · 02-12-2013, 12:20

WT · 02-14-2013, 12:29

I heard he got a better offer from the Lutherans. The Protestants pay better.

fgutie35 · 02-14-2013, 13:11

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It's been 600 years since a pope resigned. It's just not done. My guess is an internal political power stuggle in the church.

The Catholic Church has been infiltraded by satan. You are right, there is an internal struggle, but it is not politics. This has been warned by many signs. One of them, are the letters of Fatima, as well as some other visionaries that has been proved to be somewhat legit by the Catholic Church. It is my understanding that Benedict knew he was the pope that was to flee the church. Just as John Paul II knew they were going to try to kill him. Just like the next Pope will know he will be the last pope. My question is more of "If they already know, why not try to change course or resist to it?" Do they want for things to run its course to prove the prophesies were right? or there is really nothing they can do to stop the chain of events?

scottz0369 · 02-14-2013, 14:04

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The Catholic Church has been infiltraded by satan. You are right, there is an internal struggle, but it is not politics. This has been warned by many signs. One of them, are the letters of Fatima, as well as some other visionaries that has been proved to be somewhat legit by the Catholic Church. It is my understanding that Benedict knew he was the pope that was to flee the church. Just as John Paul II knew they were going to try to kill him. Just like the next Pope will know he will be the last pope. My question is more of "If they already know, why not try to change course or resist to it?" Do they want for things to run its course to prove the prophesies were right? or there is really nothing they can do to stop the chain of events?

Check out Windswept House by Malachi Martin for a "fictional" account of the church infiltrated. Funny, just last month I read "Petrus Romanus". I'm skeptical of the thesis of the book (the veracity of the Malachy Prophecy of the Popes), but it makes an interesting read. I'm listening to a podcast with the co-author (Cris Putnam) on PID Radio right now.

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GreenDrake · 02-14-2013, 14:36

Maybe they should have let the old dude walk once in a while and not cart him around on the remote controlled Segway all the time. Like a holy puppet, even in church he was on the cart most of the time. Heck my father in law is 93 and still out and about, having drinks in the evening, dancing and playing like he's a kid. Well not that much but he's still the life of the party during the holidays.

steveksux · 02-15-2013, 11:14

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I heard he got a better offer from the Lutherans. The Protestants pay better.

Pay is about the same, but Lutherans can marry. Its the "fringe" benefits.

Randy

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John_NJ · 02-15-2013, 12:13

I'm Protestant and do not recognize many Catholic doctrines as being able to hold up to the scrutiny of scripture.

That said, I believe these people are my brothers and sisters so I hope they will get a new leader that will not back down to the social/liberal agenda.

This Pope did not have the Charisma that John Paul II did but he did stay faithful to solid, fundamental, values of the church.

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hooligan74 · 02-15-2013, 12:44

Protecting child molesters is staying faithful to the solid, fundamental values of the church?

Wowza! I'm glad I'm not Catholic!

Animal Mother · 02-15-2013, 20:36

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This Pope did not have the Charisma that John Paul II did but he did stay faithful to solid, fundamental, values of the church.

What if the solid, fundamental values of the church are wrong, should one still stay faithful to them?

dhoomonyou · 02-15-2013, 21:11

Whats his pension package look like?

Vic Hays · 02-16-2013, 05:22

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What if the solid, fundamental values of the church are wrong, should one still stay faithful to them?

This is where the Protestants came from. Two basic foundational tenants.

1. The Bible as the standard if faith and practice .

2. The right of individual conscience .

**Cavalry Doc** · 02-16-2013, 08:15

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No need for a conspiracy theory for what can be explained by ordinary politics. At least they didn't poison him like they did in the old days.

No need for conspiracy theories for what can be explained by human frailty. Press reports tend to imply he is losing physical and mental ability. Leaders step down when they are no longer able to lead. It would also explain his intention to hide himself from the world.

Best guess is some signs of dementia. We all die at least once, If we are lucky, it's not too soon and we are ourselves for the duration. Not everyone is lucky that way.

**Cavalry Doc** · 02-16-2013, 08:19

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It's been 600 years since a pope resigned. It's just not done. My guess is an internal political power stuggle in the church.

So, it's not unprecedented and not done either?

Most Americans have an odd view of what a long time is. 200 years seems like an eternity here, and antiques are 20 years old. I've been in pharmacies that have been in business in the same building since the 1400's. Antiques are generally 100 or more years old.

600 years ago really isn't that long ago for a European.

***Geko45*** · 02-16-2013, 20:11

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Most Americans have an odd view of what a long time is. 200 years seems like an eternity here, and antiques are 20 years old. I've been in pharmacies that have been in business in the same building since the 1400's. Antiques are generally 100 or more years old.

600 years ago really isn't that long ago for a European.

I've drunk beer in pubs that old, I'm pretty sure the patrons there would also consider 600 years a long time. What's your point?

***Geko45*** · 02-16-2013, 20:15

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We all die at least once,

Do any of us die more than once?

**Cavalry Doc** · 02-17-2013, 03:55

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Do any of us die more than once?

It's called humor. Just a little levity.

A lot of people walk around as if they have always been alive, and always will be. Sorry, not so, not for us at least. We all die at least once, try not to die of anything you can avoid.

So, does an imagined story of political drama and intrigue require more or less assumptions than just plain getting old and worn out?