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Old 02-16-2013, 06:24   #26
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...That Geissele trigger is worth every penny and then some.

Anyone needing glass might want to go look at the specs on that Pride and Fowler scope. It is great glass and the reticle is a unique design that is being copied (poorly) by some of the big scope makers.
How difficult was it to install / adjust your Geissele trigger? I realize you built your rifle from a stripped lower, so "installation" was part of the process anyway, but I see you adjust the first stage weight by bending the spring, then the second stage letoff with a screw. Just wondering how much mucking around it took to get right. The trigger on my DPMS is one thing I'm thinking of changing, and Timney only makes a single stage for .308 rifles... really like a two-stage pull.

That Pride & Fowler looks like an interesting scope. The Rapid Reticle intrigues me... very similar to the one in my ACOG that sits atop my intermediate range 5.56 AR. Be easy to transition back and forth with similar reticles on the two rifles.
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Old 02-16-2013, 09:22   #27
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I also have a DPMS LR308, mine is the T model with the 16" barrel and a fixed stock. It's been perfectly reliable with Magpul mags and will easily go under MOA to the point that I chose not to replace my Rem700 SPS Tactical. The original triggers are absolutely awful and it's hard to shoot well with it, but a better trigger makes all the difference. I added good glass as well. I don't consider it heavy. Granddad carried a M1918 BAR all over Europe (12 mags in the standard belt, and he said he carried 1-4 4 mag bandoleers as well). Hard to whine about a couple of extra pounds that only put the rifle into the M1 range.

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How difficult was it to install / adjust your Geissele trigger? I realize you built your rifle from a stripped lower, so "installation" was part of the process anyway, but I see you adjust the first stage weight by bending the spring, then the second stage letoff with a screw. Just wondering how much mucking around it took to get right. The trigger on my DPMS is one thing I'm thinking of changing, and Timney only makes a single stage for .308 rifles... really like a two-stage pull.

That Pride & Fowler looks like an interesting scope. The Rapid Reticle intrigues me... very similar to the one in my ACOG that sits atop my intermediate range 5.56 AR. Be easy to transition back and forth with similar reticles on the two rifles.
Actually, the Geissele trigger was put in after the full LPK was installed, In other words, I replaced the original trigger after installation.

Just one of the online assembly guides on ar15.com
http://www.ar15.com/content/guides/assembly/lower/

As I recall, You don't have to remove the stock, buffer or buffer tube.

Twenty minute job. You will have to remove the pistol grip (usually a large flathead screwdriver, sometimes a allen wrench) small spring, detent and selector switch to allow access to the hammer and trigger. Takes longer to round up the screw driver, punches, light hammer and a block to rest the lower on while driving out the pins (they almost push out by hand, only needs the lightest taps)than it takes to remove the old trigger and hammer assemblies and install the new.

I did not have to adjust a thing on my trigger. It was already done at the factory by Geissele. First stage is 2.3 pounds, second stage is an additional 1.2 pounds for a total trigger pull of 3.5 pounds. You can feel the first two point three pound take-up and then a resistance as the second stage is met. Hold the trigger against the resistance and then then the shot is perfect just think about pulling the trigger and you are already being pushed by the recoil. Check out the links below, you may find specifications more to your liking than the SD-E trigger. The SSA-E is the same specs with a curved rather than flat trigger.

http://geissele.com/applicationguide.aspx

http://geissele.com/pdfs/TriggerSummarySheet.pdf

For the SD-E, Midway is the cheapest I can find but they are out of stock w/ no backorder. Brownells is a bit more, also out of stock but will accept backorders. The company that can not be named on Glock Talk ( BxOxTxAxCxH TxAxCxTxIxCxAxL) seems to be in stock at the same price as Brownells.

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The only complaint I have with the Rapid Reticle is that because the reticle is on the first focal plane it changes size with zooming the magnification. That allows the drop compensation and drift compensation to be acurate at all magnifications, BUT, when it shrinks, (low magnification) it is so small that it is difficult for my less than perfect eyes to see.
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In order for a mil-dot or ranging reticle to work it HAS to be in the first focal plane (and thus change size as the scope magnification changes). Otherwise the calibration would only be "on" at one specific magnification. There's something to be said for a fixed magnification scope (like my 10x Tasco, or my 4x ACOG) where this isn't an issue.

Thanks for the Geissele info... have to keep my eyes open for one at a good price... in stock... and at an "acceptable" vendor.
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In order for a mil-dot or ranging reticle to work it HAS to be in the first focal plane (and thus change size as the scope magnification changes). Otherwise the calibration would only be "on" at one specific magnification. There's something to be said for a fixed magnification scope (like my 10x Tasco, or my 4x ACOG) where this isn't an issue.
Yes, I considered that before going with a 3 to 9 variable.
I figured in the end that the reticle is easy enough to see at 9x and if I have to turn it down to 3x because the shot too near for 9x magnification, drop compensation will not be an issue at all.
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Old 02-17-2013, 05:43   #31
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Both DPMS SASS and RRA LAR-8 and both work 100% as long as I clean and property lubricate them.





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DPMS LR308-AP4

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This is the test article that 1st got me interested in it:

http://dailycaller.com/2013/06/24/gu...ms-ap4-lr-308/
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Old 07-17-2013, 17:56   #33
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I've owned a few DPMS LR308 rifles. I've owned a few AR10s.
Best one and most accurate I have ever shot LMT MWS308.

Grouped better with a 16" barrel than the others with 20 or 21" barrels.

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Old 07-17-2013, 18:46   #35
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Sig 716 Patrol Rifle at Walmart for $1999, right next to the 516 rifle in 5.56 that is $1499. Both piston driven with Magpul furniture.

In my opinion the Colt LE6920 at $1097 is the best buy at Wallyworld.
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Sig 716 Patrol Rifle at Walmart for $1999, right next to the 516 rifle in 5.56 that is $1499. Both piston driven with Magpul furniture.

In my opinion the Colt LE6920 at $1097 is the best buy at Wallyworld.
What does that have to do with a .308 Winchester platform?
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Old 07-17-2013, 19:27   #37
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Ditto....I picked one up when I came home from Afghanistan last year on mid-tour leave. I saw a couple carried by the Brits over there and they raved on them. This wasn't my first .308 but it was my first .308 AR platform.
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Need to get a better pic of mine.........
IMO, the LMT is the best .308 AR platform I have tried. With that being said, I am truly happy with it. PMags, KAC mags, even have used a few DPMS mags.......all feed reliably.

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Old 07-17-2013, 20:16   #39
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I have an R-25 (Remington - I believe the same as a DPMS) with a 20" bbl, in .243 Win. All stock except the new paint job (had to remove the cammo stuff), collapsing stock, and an SSA-E trigger. Using factory Remington, Federal, Winchester deer ammo with varying weights of 85gr and 100 gr, I can average consistent 1.25 - 1.5" 5 shot groups at 100 yards - off the bench. I have been working up loads using 85gr Sierra Game Kings, so I don't have a good set of groups yet. Hopefully I can get its true accuracy once I get the loads figured out. The only thing I don't like (at least for deer hunting) is that it weighs in at around 10.5-11.0 lbs. It's not the tack driver like some of my bolt actions, but overall it is accurate enough for where I hunt, and fun to shoot.
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Ditto....I picked one up when I came home from Afghanistan last year on mid-tour leave. I saw a couple carried by the Brits over there and they raved on them. This wasn't my first .308 but it was my first .308 AR platform.
Thanks for your service countsk! I have also heard great reviews from the Brits who use it as the DM rifle (L129A1), and that was one of the contributing factor to me ultimately choosing the LMT MWS. Thinking about actually using its modularity feature and getting a .260 barrel for it. I also plan on upgrading scopes to a NightForce or possibly one of the offerings from US Optics. Bottom line though is that you can't go wrong with the LMT! Awesome rifle!!
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Would love to find a .260 barrel........got a line on one?
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http://www.dpmsinc.com/-260-Rem_c_314.html

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Thanks but the DPMS barrel is incomparable with the LMT MWS308
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I have a 16" LaRue PredatAR in .308.

It's pretty good.
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What does that have to do with a .308 Winchester platform?
SIG 716 is a piston driven 308- just trying to tie a price to a place most could relate to - Walmart. Also shows delta between 308 and 556 is right at $500 for the same style rifle.
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Completely missed that,.......darn good points! Thanks
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Would love to find a .260 barrel........got a line on one?
Hey man, wish I did, but they're a bit scarce right now. My typical go-to place for long range shooting, including for sale items is SnipersHide, which is an excellent site. I've done a bit of research and found that about 98% get their LMT Modular Weapon Systems in .308 to start with...which makes sense given that is the standard market offering and the one that gets hyped due to the British military using it. Then a lot of folks who are into distance shooting decide to expand to .260 since in many folks' opinion is the next best option when you look at the modular system barrels offered by LMT. I guess third best, after 308 and 260 would be 6.5 Creedmore. Never been too much of a 338 Federal fan; now .338 Lapua is a different story, but no way that long of an action could work on that rifle!
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Have not been on the Hide in a while. I love .308 and need to see what I can do with the LMT.
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Have not been on the Hide in a while. I love .308 and need to see what I can do with the LMT.
No doubt. I think the general consensus is that the LMT is sub-MOA out to 1,000 yards, which is pretty close to the max range for a .308 cartridge out of a 16" barrel. I'm having a fit to go to a 1,000 yard range just to see what I can do at really long distances. Furthest I can manage is just over 300 yards on some land owned by a buddy's family, but the LMT rocks at that distance and everything in between. I got a good data book for keeping track of my distance shooting. Starting to get a good "database" built up so I've now become pretty efficient at doping the scope depending on the distance and windage.
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The LMT MWS is a bit of a tank. I certainly wouldn't want to haul it around, up and down a mountainside that is. The modularity is cool: buy a 16" chrome-lined barrel version for blasting away (and theyre pretty darn accurate anyways) for $2500-$3k (depending on supplier) and then a $500-$600 stainless barrel in all kinds of fun calibers. When the .308 is the parent case, 6.5 creedmore is hard to beat for long range stuff.

If its a target only gun, then a gap-10. (People argue about a lot, but I've NEVER heard anyone say bad things about a gap-10, for flat out accurate that is)

If I want lightweight and a first round hit, then I'm partial to my LaRue PredatAR.

The only other .308 semi I've shot is a SCAR-H. It was easily minute-of-face accurate at about 600yds..... Easily. That was with an Elcan 1/6x and a can on the end.
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