[ddawson]

Wow, 40 cal 180gr federal ammo. I have been looking all over 4 them (not just federal but any), Just purchased a used glock 23c. Then a closer look at package and it reads not for use in ported or compensated barrels. That waz a shocker, any thoughts besides don't use em? Purchased @ w-mart.

[MSims]

Originally Posted by ddawson

Wow, 40 cal 180gr federal ammo. I have been looking all over 4 them (not just federal but any), Just purchased a used glock 23c. Then a closer look at package and it reads not for use in ported or compensated barrels. That waz a shocker, any thoughts besides don't use em? Purchased @ w-mart.

I shoot mostly federal cause its cheap target ammo... american eagle and estate ammo is also by federal... shot thousands thru my 17c so your good... and even tulammo and winchester white box...

[ddawson]

Thankz, I spoke with someone about it. They said that ammo is not the most powered, So they may put that on box to keep folks from griping about recycling issues/ with ported barrels.

[97harley]

Originally Posted by ddawson

Thankz, I spoke with someone about it. They said that ammo is not the most powered, So they may put that on box to keep folks from griping about recycling issues/ with ported barrels.

I"m not sure about that. I have shot several hundred rounds of Federal from Wallyworld, red box and have found it has way more of a kick than any other ammo and have seen on other forums where people agree with me. Last range visit with my G21sf and loaded every other round with Fed then Winchester white box and could really tell the differance, same with Tull, rem, UMC etc.

[Bruce M]

Originally Posted by ddawson

Thankz, I spoke with someone about it. They said that ammo is not the most powered, So they may put that on box to keep folks from griping about recycling issues/ with ported barrels.

Hmm thanks for sharing that. Interesting, if not surprising.

[tonyparson]

Originally Posted by 97harley

I"m not sure about that. I have shot several hundred rounds of Federal from Wallyworld, red box and have found it has way more of a kick than any other ammo and have seen on other forums where people agree with me. Last range visit with my G21sf and loaded every other round with Fed then Winchester white box and could really tell the differance, same with Tull, rem, UMC etc.

I can tell the Fed ammo is a lot weaker then the WWB ammo.

[ddawson]

Well why is that on there box? I also have a box of 9mm purchased a year ago with the same message on box. If you know what the reasoning is let us know, I do not.

[Nozzelnut]

Are they using plated bullets?

If they are, ports have cut through the plating causing the bullet to deform and screw up the barrel.

[ddawson]

Well that is not stated on the box, Pretty new @ this how can i tell?

[F106 Fan]

Originally Posted by ddawson

Well that is not stated on the box, Pretty new @ this how can i tell?

How about this? The factory says not to do it, so don't! Shoot something else.

There is a reason the factory put that warning on the box. They probably lost money in a lawsuit when the porting shaved some copper off the bullet and the copper wound up in somebody's eye. That's the way warnings come about!

The factory didn't just get up in the morning and decide to limit their potential market. There's a reason...

Richard

[2-8 Marine]

There is a reason . . . Federal HAS stated that the thin copper plating may strip off and cause damage/injury, so don't use with a compensated or ported barrel.

[F106 Fan]

Well, then, that's the end of the discussion. Don't use Federal with a ported barrel.

Richard

[TSAX]

Wait.............lets be clear, are they referring to all Federal ammo or just the cheap Champion stuff. There's also American Eagle, Hydra Shok, Guard Dog, etc.

[SDR]

Yes as stated earlier, the plating is very thin on these to cut back on costs. That is why you are not supposed to use them on ported weapons.

[MSims]

I have shot 5000 rounds of federal thru my 17C...

[China boy]

I think its just a warning so they don't get sued when stuff gets in your eye like posted prior. Just like how you shouldn't use your beach towel for protection from a hurricane warning.

[ray glock]

I find Federal AE FMJ to be hot ammo. I like it for al-round.
Not sure about the ported thing.

[ddawson]

Looks like just this stuff.

[kaech]

Originally Posted by 97harley

I"m not sure about that. I have shot several hundred rounds of Federal from Wallyworld, red box and have found it has way more of a kick than any other ammo and have seen on other forums where people agree with me. Last range visit with my G21sf and loaded every other round with Fed then Winchester white box and could really tell the differance, same with Tull, rem, UMC etc.

I dont know bud,WWB feels like +p compared to fed champ. Even tula is hotter in every cal. But .40.....imo i guess

[SCmasterblaster]

Originally Posted by kaech

I dont know bud,WWB feels like +p compared to fed champ. Even tula is hotter in every cal. But .40.....imo i guess

WWB is very good practice ammo.

[glock031]

On paper and in some chrono's WWB shows to be a little hotter. But over the years and again last week i had more problems with WWB ammo than Federal champion in both 40 and 9..

Last week
100 rds Fed champion 9mm shot just fine. 100 rds of WWB 9mm had 7 malfunctions. Those 7 rds were too weak to cycle the next rd.. Could feel and hear the difference. This is about the fourth instance with WWB. Yes i had many good range trips with WWB but they do have some QC issues.

[wdp]

I've shot several thousand rounds of WWB and Federal Champion in both .40 S&W & .45ACP and never had a single failure in either of my Glocks. I actually preferred the Federal in 100 round bulk boxes because it was less expensive. Today I'll settle for whatever I can get my hands on.
It would be interesting to see a section view of the Federal bullet to see if the manufacturers claim is real related to thin jacketing, or are they just covering their "6" because a lawyer told them so.

[cadillacguns]

Fed 180 gr Champion is waht I range prefer in my Glocks, the WWB is a 165 gr bullet, and more stout. Both should work just fine for you.

[SCmasterblaster]

Originally Posted by cadillacguns

Fed 180 gr Champion is waht I range prefer in my Glocks, the WWB is a 165 gr bullet, and more stout. Both should work just fine for you.

165 gr JHP? WWB?

[ddawson]

This issue is all over the internet, The only one that has not answered and questions is guess who, Federal. I've called left messages. Truly they are the only ones that can resolve this.