If You Could do ONE Thing to Fix the Country... - Page 5

engineer151515 · 02-18-2013, 07:47

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Originally Posted by John Rambo

......... This is CLEARLY illustrated by the right-wingers on this site and in this country who are the ones crying for things like, "Screw a trial, EXECUTE HIM AND PULL HIS TOENAILS OFF"

Back up your assertion.

Who said this on this site, what was the context and how is this representative of right wing political beliefs on this site?

certifiedfunds · 02-18-2013, 08:12

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Originally Posted by John Rambo

Incorrect. Authoritarian governments can come from the right or left. This is CLEARLY illustrated by the right-wingers on this site and in this country who are the ones crying for things like, "Screw a trial, EXECUTE HIM AND PULL HIS TOENAILS OFF"

No. Far right is max freedom. Contradicts authoritarian. Fascists are leftists. US political.

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certifiedfunds · 02-18-2013, 08:14

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Originally Posted by John Rambo

Incorrect. Authoritarian governments can come from the right or left. This is CLEARLY illustrated by the right-wingers on this site and in this country who are the ones crying for things like, "Screw a trial, EXECUTE HIM AND PULL HIS TOENAILS OFF"

If the commies leave us alone no one gets hurt.

Commies can't leave you alone though.
Fascists can't leave you alone.
Neocons can't leave you alone.

American constitutional conservatives leave you alone

There's the difference.

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IvanVic · 02-18-2013, 09:33

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Originally Posted by certifiedfunds

He's talking about communists and people wearing che' T shirts.

Perhaps not legal but he certainly has the moral high ground.

So anyone set on killing someone else who is extreme in their political views has the moral high ground? I doubt you'd be saying that if the roles were reversed.

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aspartz · 02-18-2013, 09:40

Repeal the civil rights acts. That returns us to a country where you are allowed to vote with your pocketbook/hiring and would allow a poll tax so only people who pay the bills get to vote.

ARS

John Rambo · 02-18-2013, 09:41

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Originally Posted by certifiedfunds

If the commies leave us alone no one gets hurt.

Commies can't leave you alone though.
Fascists can't leave you alone.
Neocons can't leave you alone.

American constitutional conservatives leave you alone

There's the difference.

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You're trying to represent, at the very least, a two-dimensional grid of variables using a one-dimensional line graph.

certifiedfunds · 02-18-2013, 09:43

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Originally Posted by IvanVic

So anyone set on killing someone else who is extreme in their political views has the moral high ground? I doubt you'd be saying that if the roles were reversed.

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No, communists and socialists are different from conservatives and libertarians.

IvanVic · 02-18-2013, 09:46

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Originally Posted by certifiedfunds

No, communists and socialists are different from conservatives and libertarians.

You realize that whoever was in power at the time would be making an arbitrary judgement on that, right?

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certifiedfunds · 02-18-2013, 10:28

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Originally Posted by IvanVic

You realize that whoever was in power at the time would be making an arbitrary judgement on that, right?

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Not necessarily. We could give them a questionnaire. Maybe 5 or 10 questions. Answer yes to 80% and its off to the oak tree. All nice and legal. Questionnaire is due process.

You'd need to mix up the questions from time to time probably.

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certifiedfunds · 02-18-2013, 10:35

Or a game show "who's a commie?"

Reality show? Put a gaggle of com-symps in a house. Audience votes by text message. Commie with most votes gets the noose.

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IvanVic · 02-18-2013, 10:59

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Originally Posted by certifiedfunds

Not necessarily. We could give them a questionnaire. Maybe 5 or 10 questions. Answer yes to 80% and its off to the oak tree. All nice and legal. Questionnaire is due process.

You'd need to mix up the questions from time to time probably.

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So if you found out the couple across the street believed that the U.S. should have a more European form of government, you think you're morally justified in killing them?

TX OMFS · 02-18-2013, 11:05

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Originally Posted by certifiedfunds

Or a game show "who's a commie?"

Reality show? Put a gaggle of com-symps in a house. Audience votes by text message. Commie with most votes gets the noose.

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That is awesome! Call it "Who Wants to Hang a Commie?"

TX OMFS · 02-18-2013, 11:10

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Originally Posted by IvanVic

So if you found out the couple across the street believed that the U.S. should have a more European form of government, you think you're morally justified in killing them?

Morality is not relative.

Killing people for their beliefs is wrong; therefore, killing the couple across the street is wrong.

Killing people for acting on immoral beliefs, well, now that is another matter.

Individuals do not get to assume the goverment's authority when it comes to carrying out justice. In other words, there is no place for vigilantism. Only the state can execute people. Citizens can use deadly force when justified but that's another matter.

TX OMFS · 02-18-2013, 11:12

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Originally Posted by John Rambo

Incorrect. Authoritarian governments can come from the right or left. This is CLEARLY illustrated by the right-wingers on this site and in this country who are the ones crying for things like, "Screw a trial, EXECUTE HIM AND PULL HIS TOENAILS OFF"

Authoritarianism = power to the state.
Left wing = power to the state.

Right wing = less power to the state.

Right wing to the extreme = anarchy and is a FAIL.

John Rambo · 02-18-2013, 11:21

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Originally Posted by TX OMFS

Authoritarianism = power to the state.
Left wing = power to the state.

Right wing = less power to the state.

Right wing to the extreme = anarchy and is a FAIL.

Again, two dimensional grid on a one dimensional line.

TX OMFS · 02-18-2013, 11:25

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Originally Posted by John Rambo

Again, two dimensional grid on a one dimensional line.

Huh? You are too smart for me Sylvester. Please break it down for this simpleton.

PS - have you ever tried to draw a line in one dimension?

certifiedfunds · 02-18-2013, 11:50

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Originally Posted by IvanVic

So if you found out the couple across the street believed that the U.S. should have a more European form of government, you think you're morally justified in killing them?

How's the questionaire look?

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certifiedfunds · 02-18-2013, 12:00

Edited

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F350 · 02-18-2013, 12:02

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Originally Posted by Blast

Get rid of Obama and his cronies.

That would be the entire Dem-o-crap party!!!!

Stevekozak · 02-18-2013, 12:19

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Originally Posted by certifiedfunds

How's the questionaire look?

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I think IvanVic may be hauling his Hammer & Sickle down off the flagpole as quickly as he can right now!!

John Rambo · 02-18-2013, 12:25

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Originally Posted by TX OMFS

Huh? You are too smart for me Sylvester. Please break it down for this simpleton.

Okay.

This is a political spectrum graph with one axis. It is widely recognized as being for dum dums on account of it doesn't really say anything useful.

This is a political spectrum graph with two axes. It paints a much more holistic view of one's political beliefs. You could conceivably go into three dimensions if you really wanted to get nitty gritty, but this one does just fine for its purposes.

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PS - have you ever tried to draw a line in one dimension?

I'm talking about a dataset here, not drawing.

IvanVic · 02-18-2013, 12:25

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Originally Posted by certifiedfunds

How's the questionaire look?

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You didn't answer my question. In your previous post you specifically mentioned socialists, and having the morality on your side if they were killed.

Do you feel as though you would be morally justified in killing someone if they believe the U.S. should become like European socialist nations?

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IvanVic · 02-18-2013, 12:29

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Originally Posted by TX OMFS

Killing people for their beliefs is wrong; therefore, killing the couple across the street is wrong.

So we agree, yet I didn't see you challenge certifiedfunds' lunacy at all.

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Batesmotel · 02-18-2013, 12:32

Overhaul congress.

Term limits and no special perks. No lifetime pension, war chest, medical, Etc.

Get in, get out, go back to the private sector.

Eliminate the power base they develop. They are not there to serve us anymore. They are there to tend their power base and retire rich. That means they screw us over to stay in office.

certifiedfunds · 02-18-2013, 12:39

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Originally Posted by IvanVic

You didn't answer my question. In your previous post you specifically mentioned socialists, and having the morality on your side if they were killed.

Do you feel as though you would be morally justified in killing someone if they believe the U.S. should become like European socialist nations?

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Where did I say I was killing anyone?

Placing socialists and their families in re-education camps would be a reasonable first step. However that would only require maybe a 4/10 on the commie quiz.

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