[Atlas]

Originally Posted by countrygun

I think you are correct. There seems to be an almost autistic need for absolute conformity to political set of ideals today and those who adhere to an ideology expect that anyone who disagrees with them on a particular issue must, therefore be completely in the other polemic camp as they re in their own.

A great number of people today have been led into a "camp" with the old technique of "If you believe in "A", then you must believe in "B" and then "C" and so forth. They cannot conceptualize anyone who does not follow the chain and who evaluates each issue on its merits.

The seek conformity even in what they think is non-conformist thought.

Sort of like 'The United Brotherhood Of Individualists"

And a good example is how often some (especially here at GT) like to swing that "conservative vs. liberal" stick around.

Those terms "conservative" and "liberal" are used all the time as if they were each a definitive. They are in fact so abstract as to be meaningless.

[JBnTX]

Originally Posted by IvanVic

... They're winning on social issues...

If you honestly think another president will get elected while preaching about social issues, you are too far gone for me to convince you otherwise...

you just refuse to accept the fact that a republican is no longer going to win unless they can steer clear of the preaching on social issues.

...I have nothing good to say about the republicans who are far to the right on social issues...

What are these "social issues" and why do you think the republican party is on the wrong side of them?

[Stevekozak]

Originally Posted by TX OMFS

Still I'll indulge and answer your question: Yes. Start the list.

I am curious to see this list as well. I, offhand, can't really think of any.

[sugarcreek]

I would say a Libertarian Republican tack would be NO funding for abortion or governmental mandates that Catholic Church Hospitals pay for contraceptive care through insurance for employees, and that parents of girls under 18 must consent to an abortion after all, children under Obamacare are defined as under 27...

And that's just ONE social issue.

For me the sweet balm of legal marijuana and free contraceptives
doesn't compare to my deep love for the 1st and 2nd amendment.

[countrygun]

Originally Posted by Atlas

And a good example is how often some (especially here at GT) like to swing that "conservative vs. liberal" stick around.

Those terms "conservative" and "liberal" are used all the time as if they were each a definitive. They are in fact so abstract as to be meaningless.

Or if you don't believe in anarchy you are a "Statist"

[countrygun]

Originally Posted by JBnTX

What are these "social issues" and why do you think the republican party is on the wrong side of them?

There is the fly in the ointment of so many people who like to pat themselves on the back and say "I am socially liberal, but fiscally conservative"

Liberal social policies cost money, kind of in conflict with the "fiscally conservative" part of their claim. Look at the Obama care birth control issue. Sounds "socially liberal" to have birth control paid for by someone else, against their religious belief.

Look at the term "Socially Liberal". "Socially= Societal . Liberal societies are expensive, ask the Europeans.

The whole concept is flawed from the label to the product.

[series1811]

Originally Posted by IvanVic

And people like you are the reason the left is winning that battle, you're just too ignorant to see it. Most Americans identify with republicans on fiscal issues, but many of those people vote on social issues.




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You really think what you and the majority of liberals are getting right now is going to be called a "win" fifty years from today?

[JBnTX]

Originally Posted by sugarcreek

I would say a Libertarian Republican tack would be NO funding for abortion or governmental mandates that Catholic Church Hospitals pay for contraceptive care through insurance for employees, and that parents of girls under 18 must consent to an abortion after all, children under Obamacare are defined as under 27...

Now I'm really confused?

Republicans don't want taxpayer money used for abortions and birth control, yet IvanVic rags on republicans because of their stand on social issues.

Does that mean IvanVic wants taxpayers to foot the bill?
Doesn't he claim to be libertarian?

He needs to clarify this "social issues" subject that he keeps beating up the republicans about.

[IvanVic]

Originally Posted by Stevekozak

I am curious to see this list as well. I, offhand, can't really think of any.

This is hilarious. What's our timeframe? Last 5 years? How many do you want? Is 50 enough?

More importantly, how many do I have to name before you admit how stupid your generalization was? Pick an actual number so I know I'm not wasting my time. After I submit my list, I will also request that you produce the opposite list.


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[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

Alright, another TV thread. We should start by discussing the Hee Haw broads in their short cut-offs.

[Ruble Noon]

Originally Posted by JBnTX

What are these "social issues" and why do you think the republican party is on the wrong side of them?

Hey genius, you just lost the most winnable election in history and now you want to know if the republicans are on the wrong side??
Why were the democrats able to use the terminology "war on women" so effectively against the republicans? Any ideas? Think "legitimate rape" and "rape babies are God's will" might have something to do with it? Do you think a long history of pushing for a ban on abortion might have something to do with it?

The days of pushing social issues at the federal level are OVER. Women don't want a bunch of old white men in their womb, in their bedroom or telling them what, if any, contraception they should take.

You guys keep pushing the same failed ideology's over and over and over and over and over and over and over and you continue to lose over and over and over and over and then you wonder why?

Your opponents are cleaning your clock's and if you want to change that, then you are going to have to change. If you want to push social issues like banning abortion or banning gay marriage, try it at the state level where these issues belong and where you might have some success.

What are your opponents doing right now on gun control? They are winning at state level because they realized that the chance of winning at a federal level is slim. They are taking what they can get where you want the whole hog. They are winning and you are losing and you will continue to lose because you fail at recognizing the pattern to your loss.

[JBnTX]

Originally Posted by Ruble Noon

Hey genius, you just lost the most winnable election in history and now you want to know if the republicans are on the wrong side??
Why were the democrats able to use the terminology "war on women" so effectively against the republicans? Any ideas? Think "legitimate rape" and "rape babies are God's will" might have something to do with it? Do you think a long history of pushing for a ban on abortion might have something to do with it?

The days of pushing social issues at the federal level are OVER. Women don't want a bunch of old white men in their womb, in their bedroom or telling them what, if any, contraception they should take.

You guys keep pushing the same failed ideology's over and over and over and over and over and over and over and you continue to lose over and over and over and over and then you wonder why?

Your opponents are cleaning your clock's and if you want to change that, then you are going to have to change. If you want to push social issues like banning abortion or banning gay marriage, try it at the state level where these issues belong and where you might have some success.

What are your opponents doing right now on gun control? They are winning at state level because they realized that the chance of winning at a federal level is slim. They are taking what they can get where you want the whole hog. They are winning and you are losing and you will continue to lose because you fail at recognizing the pattern to your loss.

You sound like a liberal democrat outlining what you fear the most in the republican party.

The "social issues", especially abortion, are just about all that separates republicans from democrats.

Are you saying republicans should be more like democrats?
Isn't that there's no difference between the republicans and the democrats one of your main complaints about the republican party?

If you support abortion and gay marriage, either at the state or federal level, then how can you call yourself a conservative?

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[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

Yep, pattern recognition is lost on many. Republicans are big government when it comes to social issues: smoking bans, homeschooling, gambling, occupational licensing, roadblocks, seatbelt use, helmet laws, etc. They not only are hung up on dope, some states are obsessed with alcohol (Utah and Alabama, just to name two). States are beginning to accommodate on dope, but somehow the feds know better.

Nobody wants to poke you in the rear, so quit being so insecure about homos. And good God, knock off the religious crap. Take a lesson from the man Himself. Jesus talked stern, but the choice was still up to you. You Republicans are just like the stubborn people He lectured, many of whom refused to pull that bug out of their ass.

[Ruble Noon]

Originally Posted by JBnTX

You sound like a liberal democrat outlining what you fear the most in the republican party.

The "social issues", especially abortion, are just about all that separates republicans from democrats.

Are you saying republicans should be more like democrats?
Isn't that there's no difference between the republicans and the democrats one of your main complaints about the republican party?

If you support abortion and gay marriage, either at the state or federal level, then how can you call yourself a conservative?

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Continue banging your head against the wall JB. You might knock some sense in there eventually but, by then, it will be too late.

[sugarcreek]

Originally Posted by JBnTX

Now I'm really confused?

Republicans don't want taxpayer money used for abortions and birth control, yet IvanVic rags on republicans because of their stand on social issues.

Does that mean IvanVic wants taxpayers to foot the bill?
Doesn't he claim to be libertarian?

He needs to clarify this "social issues" subject that he keeps beating up the republicans about.

Let's ask him. YO IVAN!!

Do you want taxpayers to foot the bill for birth control and have government force Catholic Hospitals to provide through their insurance, contraception coverage?

While we are at it parents should provide informed consent for a daughter under 18 to receive an abortion, RIGHT??? No? How about 16??

[JBnTX]

Originally Posted by NorthCarolinaLiberty

... Republicans are big government when it comes to social issues: smoking bans, homeschooling, gambling, occupational licensing, roadblocks, seatbelt use, helmet laws, etc. They not only are hung up on dope, some states are obsessed with alcohol (Utah and Alabama, just to name two). States are beginning to accommodate on dope, but somehow the feds know better....

Are you saying that republicans should reverse their positions on the social issues you mentioned, and shut up about religion?

Then what would be difference between them and the democrats?

Doesn't at least one party need to stand up for what's right?
Maybe your desire for legal dope, abortion on demand and a winner take all society has clouded your judgement?

It sounds like you guys are trying to sabotage the republican party because you know a landslide republican presidential win in 2016 is going to be the result of Obama's second term.

The third time is going to be the charm and you guys are scared, because you can kiss your legal dope and other liberal issues good-bye.

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[hogship]

I couldn't help but think of this thread, when I came across this.

I'd say this is certainly a testament to how manhood is being minimized in our culture.

In order to "understand women" this guy is attempting to become one.

ooc

link:
http://www.today.com/moms/dude-who-w...ting-1C8384900

[NorthCarolinaLiberty]

My answers in blue.

Originally Posted by JBnTX

Are you saying that republicans should reverse their positions on the social issues you mentioned, and shut up about religion?
Uh, yeah, that's what I be saying.

Then what would be difference between them and the democrats?
No difference. Democrats support all the issues I mentioned.

Doesn't at least one party need to stand up for what's right?
Telling a restaurant owner how to run his business is right? Roadblocks proven to be ineffective are right?

Maybe your desire for legal dope, abortion on demand and a winner take all society has clouded your judgement?
I hate the smell of dope and am pro-life. Winner takes it all? I don't know anything about that. It was a good song by ABBA, I guess.

It sounds like you guys are trying to sabotage the republican party...
You can't sabotage a loser.

...because you know a landslide republican presidential win in 2016 is going to be the result of Obama's second term.
Landslides don't happen in American politics, not even in your wildest Reagan fantasies.

The MILLIONTH time is going to be the charm FOR BIG GOVERNENT...
Fixed it for you.

...and you guys are scared, because you can kiss your legal dope and other liberal issues good-bye.
So liberal issues include all that I mentioned, such as occupational licensing, alcohol restrictions, strict homeschooling regs, strict gambling regs, etc.? Look up Republicans states like Tennessee, Georgia, etc. because that's where these regulations are heavy.



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[JBnTX]

Originally Posted by NorthCarolinaLiberty

My answers in blue.

At least you didn't call me names.

[sugarcreek]

Originally Posted by hogship

I couldn't help but think of this thread, when I came across this.

I'd say this is certainly a testament to how manhood is being minimized in our culture.

In order to "understand women" this guy is attempting to become one.

ooc

link:
http://www.today.com/moms/dude-who-w...ting-1C8384900

That's a sympathy suit! It is used in the Bradley natural childbirth class I went to for my first child... I looked GREAT didn't I!

[Ruble Noon]

Originally Posted by JBnTX

Are you saying that republicans should reverse their positions on the social issues you mentioned, and shut up about religion?

Then what would be difference between them and the democrats?

Doesn't at least one party need to stand up for what's right?
Maybe your desire for legal dope, abortion on demand and a winner take all society has clouded your judgement?

It sounds like you guys are trying to sabotage the republican party because you know a landslide republican presidential win in 2016 is going to be the result of Obama's second term.

The third time is going to be the charm and you guys are scared, because you can kiss your legal dope and other liberal issues good-bye.

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Isn't that what you predicted to happen after Obama's first term?

[hogship]

Originally Posted by sugarcreek

That's a sympathy suit! It is used in the Bradley natural childbirth class I went to for my first child... I looked GREAT didn't I!

Heh,heh,heh.......there ye go!

ooc

[TX OMFS]

This thread is way off topic from the OP. Anyway,

Originally Posted by Ruble Noon

If you want to push social issues like banning abortion or banning gay marriage, try it at the state level where these issues belong and where you might have some success.

Roe vs Wade made abortion federal. The only way to "ban" it is at the federal level. States can only limit it.

As for social issues, you can win elections while being socially conservative.

[IvanVic]

Originally Posted by sugarcreek

Do you want taxpayers to foot the bill for birth control and have government force Catholic Hospitals to provide through their insurance, contraception coverage?

No. This is not a social issue, it's a fiscal one. The social aspect of it would be the use of contraception in the first place, and people like Rick Santorum would be a prime example of what I mean when I say they need to keep their opinion to themselves if they are against the use of birth control all together.

[happyguy]

If you are on the less popular side of any issue, so be it. It's called principles.

Regards,
Comrade Happyguy