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Old 02-18-2013, 09:10   #41
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Old 02-18-2013, 09:18   #42
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Wait, does that mean everybody who said Romney would win the election was lying, too?


Fox News viewers all thought mittens would win ......wrong as usual

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Old 02-18-2013, 09:23   #43
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Who said republicans are for small government?

Democrats and Republicans both have unaccecptable shortfalls with the direction of the county.
So true. However, for this discussion on gun grabbing, the republicans are the good guys and the democrats are doing what most sane people predicted they would in spite of what the Obama fan boys said.
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Old 02-18-2013, 09:43   #44
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Yes, it's only Democrats sponsoring gun control legislation. The sun rises in the East, too. Why is that so much more important to you than the actual prospects of those bills becoming law?
Thank you for finally acknowledging your party's desire to control guns. It's important to me because I find some of the stuff they come up with disgusting. Many individual states are in the process of creating their own laws which will deprive people of their rights. These bills/laws are created by democrats. Although the republicans are far from perfect, I don't see any of them trying to restrict 2nd amendment rights.
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[QUOTE=IvanVic;20000709]Private citizens can't sponsor bills. Having said that, I sincerely doubt Romney would have signed an AWB had he won.

I agree with you, I only put that in so that Flipper 348 wouldn't reference him like he always does. He did anyway, proving that ol' flip can't tell the difference between 1998 and 2013.
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Old 02-18-2013, 13:58   #46
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So true. However, for this discussion on gun grabbing, the republicans are the good guys and the democrats are doing what most sane people predicted they would in spite of what the Obama fan boys said.
I agree. Those who thought Obama wouldn't make a move on guns when he had the chance was kidding themselves.

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Fox News viewers all thought mittens would win ......wrong as usual

http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1450983
Yes, that is true. Most of us thought (hoped, maybe) that 2008 was a fluke. We know better now. The people have figured out they can vote themselves the keys to the treasury. There is no going back. It's just seeing how long we can keep the note floating.
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I think all of you made a bad choice back in November.
What was the good choice?

Poke out your eye to spite your face?

There are two viable political parties. Every vote will be in favor of one or the other. So, let's leave the land of unicorns, leprechauns, and RonPaul and join reality.
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What was the good choice?

Poke out your eye to spite your face?

There are two viable political parties. Every vote will be in favor of one or the other. So, let's leave the land of unicorns, leprechauns, and RonPaul and join reality.
So as long as people buy into this, that is true. Political parties come and go. The republican party is on it's way out. To believe otherwise is poking your head in the sand.

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Who said republicans are for small government?

Democrats and Republicans both have unaccecptable shortfalls with the direction of the county.
Republicans say that constantly.
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So as long as people buy into this, that is true. Political parties come and go. The republican party is on it's way out. To believe otherwise is poking your head in the sand.
You really don't understand politics, do you? Drinking beer on the trailer porch while cussing politicians and the system doesn't make you the next Great Communicator. You're voting based on feelings the same as the Kardashian voters.

The Democrat party isn't going to changel. Their base will remain. Even if the Republican party goes away it will leave the same voter base to either go to a new party or be split among several parties. Until you can suck away Democrat votes nothing changes. At least you get to feel smart while talking about coruption.

To be nice and fair, I'll give you a chance. Stop the cliches and list the specifics planks in your new party's platform that will garner enough votes to win a national election. Short of doing this you're just another hack who doesn't understand the realities of American politics 2013. Turn on your reality TV and leave us alone.
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You really don't understand politics, do you? Drinking beer on the trailer porch while cussing politicians and the system doesn't make you the next Great Communicator. You're voting based on feelings the same as the Kardashian voters.

The Democrat party isn't going to changel. Their base will remain. Even if the Republican party goes away it will leave the same voter base to either go to a new party or be split among several parties. Until you can suck away Democrat votes nothing changes. At least you get to feel smart while talking about coruption.

To be nice and fair, I'll give you a chance. Stop the cliches and list the specifics planks in your new party's platform that will garner enough votes to win a national election. Short of doing this you're just another hack who doesn't understand the realities of American politics 2013. Turn on your reality TV and leave us alone.
Aw C'mon, didn't the Libertarian Party's immense number of electoral votes in the last election show you the power of third parties in American politics?
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You really don't understand politics, do you? Drinking beer on the trailer porch while cussing politicians and the system doesn't make you the next Great Communicator. You're voting based on feelings the same as the Kardashian voters.

The Democrat party isn't going to changel. Their base will remain. Even if the Republican party goes away it will leave the same voter base to either go to a new party or be split among several parties. Until you can suck away Democrat votes nothing changes. At least you get to feel smart while talking about coruption.

To be nice and fair, I'll give you a chance. Stop the cliches and list the specifics planks in your new party's platform that will garner enough votes to win a national election. Short of doing this you're just another hack who doesn't understand the realities of American politics 2013. Turn on your reality TV and leave us alone.
Many people in the US do not vote or take an interest in politics. The fact that we are having this discussion, means we are active in politics. Very few people I know are interested in politics, and many of those do not even vote.

They have either lost hope in the government, or feel as if they couldn't make a difference anyway.

That is the block of voters we need to target, because independents and undecided voters win elections.

A party needs to run on small government, lower taxes, and greater personal freedom. We need to create an enviroment where businesses can start out, without being bogged down by endless regulations and red tape so we can work on our unemployment problem.

We need to leave government out of the bedroom, and making decisions about what women do to their bodies. We need to stop being the moral police.

Real conservative platforms win, the issue is education, and that's the largest hurdle we face.

IF the Republican party wants to be a viable party in the future, they must do these things. They have done a terrible job at educating people, and they have lost in the court of public perception.

I doub't the party can recover, because their public perception is so bad among independents, and its losing it most passionate supporters that want limited government.

The party is fractured. You have the big government statists that want to a state of perpetual war, and to run an empire. Then in the party, you have tea party republicans that want smaller government and low taxes.

Right now the party is split in two, and something has to change, or we will be reading about the republican party like we read about the Whig party, in the history books.

But, feel free to continue the personal attacks. It really sucks when you lose elections by nominating the weakest canidate, a liberal republican and lose elections.

Keep supporting the party that bings you John McCain, and Mitt Romney, and we face socialism. Neither fired up the base, and brought in independents. Unless the republican party and fire up its base, and bring in some independents, it will be a dead party in 10 years.
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To be nice and fair, I'll give you a chance. Stop the cliches and list the specifics planks in your new party's platform that will garner enough votes to win a national election. Short of doing this you're just another hack who doesn't understand the realities of American politics 2013. Turn on your reality TV and leave us alone.
Now I'll play "nice and fair". Explain how the Republican party will start winning elections?
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Now I'll play "nice and fair". Explain how the Republican party will start winning elections?
Did you just start voting and paying attention to politics in the last six years or so?


At one time FDR was supposed to have been the end of the Republican Party.

Politics run in cycles, stick around for a few and you'll see it.
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Centrists, we haven't seen much of you recently because you are hiding in shame due to the fact your democrat masters are on a gun control roll. You have nothing to say for yourselves and rightly so. Still, I'd like to give you a chance to redeem yourselves and show us how much better democrats are for gun ownership than republicans. So, if you are up to the challenge, here it is - list all of the republican politicians that you can, who have SPONSORED or CO-SPONSORED new gun control bills at the local, state or federal level. Here's the catch, any said bill must have been introduced in the year 2012 or 2013 - there will be no digging up Reagan out of the grave to prove your point. As a pre-emptive strike, Flipper 348, Mitt Romney's name will not be acceptable because he did not sponsor a bill or even mention an assault weapon ban in 2012 or 2013. Challenge On!!!!

P.S. - I would list all democrat politicians who are sponsoring gun control, but glocktalk doesn't have enough bandwidth for that.
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Many people in the US do not vote or take an interest in politics. The fact that we are having this discussion, means we are active in politics. Very few people I know are interested in politics, and many of those do not even vote.

They have either lost hope in the government, or feel as if they couldn't make a difference anyway.

That is the block of voters we need to target, because independents and undecided voters win elections.

A party needs to run on small government, lower taxes, and greater personal freedom. We need to create an enviroment where businesses can start out, without being bogged down by endless regulations and red tape so we can work on our unemployment problem.

We need to leave government out of the bedroom, and making decisions about what women do to their bodies. We need to stop being the moral police.

Real conservative platforms win, the issue is education, and that's the largest hurdle we face.

IF the Republican party wants to be a viable party in the future, they must do these things. They have done a terrible job at educating people, and they have lost in the court of public perception.

I doub't the party can recover, because their public perception is so bad among independents, and its losing it most passionate supporters that want limited government.

The party is fractured. You have the big government statists that want to a state of perpetual war, and to run an empire. Then in the party, you have tea party republicans that want smaller government and low taxes.

Right now the party is split in two, and something has to change, or we will be reading about the republican party like we read about the Whig party, in the history books.

But, feel free to continue the personal attacks. It really sucks when you lose elections by nominating the weakest canidate, a liberal republican and lose elections.

Keep supporting the party that bings you John McCain, and Mitt Romney, and we face socialism. Neither fired up the base, and brought in independents. Unless the republican party and fire up its base, and bring in some independents, it will be a dead party in 10 years.
Good post.
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Did you just start voting and paying attention to politics in the last six years or so?


At one time FDR was supposed to have been the end of the Republican Party.

Politics run in cycles, stick around for a few and you'll see it.
I'll be sticking around, but government isn't going to stop growing unless there is a party in congress to vote against it.
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You should have listened to us and voted for Ron Paul.
I didn't dislike everything about Ron Paul, but I don't think he was electable either. None of the republicans running stood a chance. I figured the guy with the most money had the best shot, but apparently he didn't want it, just like his predecessor in 2008.
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I didn't dislike everything about Ron Paul, but I don't think he was electable either. None of the republicans running stood a chance. I figured the guy with the most money had the best shot, but apparently he didn't want it, just like his predecessor in 2008.
That's the problem we are having. So as long as the republican party knows they have to do nothing to earn your vote, we can expect more deficit spending and growing government.
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