[Slug71]

Saw this on Chris Wallace's show today

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/vid...narrative.html

Another good interview by him I thought.

[EnemyOfTheState]

Rand is alright in my book, he's not perfect though. But I'll gladly vote for him.

I can only hope the Bible thumpers, war hawks and big government GOPers don't push Rubio or Cruz and get defeated again by Biden, Cuomo or Bloomturd.

A neoconservative will never be able to snag the Latino or Black vote.
A hispanic Republican doesn't match a Democrat promising checks every month.

The GOP needs to drop the big government, perpetual war and forced
Moralism and get back to limited government and free market economics or they'll lose again in 2016.

[jdavionic]

I saw that interview this morning. I hope he does run in 2016. He'd be a decent candidate. However I'm still pessimistic about the future of this country. Not sure it matters who runs. I still think the last election was a transition for the nation as a whole.

[Slug71]

Originally Posted by EnemyOfTheState

Rand is alright in my book, he's not perfect though. But I'll gladly vote for him.

I can only hope the Bible thumpers, war hawks and big government GOPers don't push Rubio or Cruz and get defeated again by Biden, Cuomo or Bloomturd.
The GOP needs to drop the big government, perpetual war and forced
Moralism and get back to limited government and free market economics or they'll lose again in 2016.

Agreed. I'm worried about those GOPers too. Sadly it seems a lot if them have not learned a thing from the past two elections.

[Slug71]

Originally Posted by jdavionic

I saw that interview this morning. I hope he does run in 2016. He'd be a decent candidate. However I'm still pessimistic about the future of this country. Not sure it matters who runs. I still think the last election was a transition for the nation as a whole.

Same. I think that transition period started at 08 election though.

[vart]

Originally Posted by EnemyOfTheState

I can only hope the Bible thumpers, war hawks and big government GOPers don't push Rubio or Cruz and get defeated again by Biden, Cuomo or Bloomturd.

Keep on disparaging Christians and you will get the nation you deserve...

[czsmithGT]

Rand Paul and Susana Martinez might make an interesting ticket. I wonder if they would be electable?

[ColdSteelNail]

Originally Posted by vart

Keep on disparaging Christians and you will get the nation you deserve...

If it works that way then the Christians wouldn't get the nation they deserve.

[Slug71]

Originally Posted by czsmithGT

Rand Paul and Susana Martinez might make an interesting ticket. I wonder if they would be electable?

I think so.
A lot of people are starting to like Rand. I'd definitely say is one of the favourites at the moment.

[Kablam]

Martinez is just another GOPer...watch out for her. She's all on the universal background check bandwagon I believe she is going for the health care exchange.

[Slug71]

Originally Posted by Kablam

Martinez is just another GOPer...watch out for her. She's all on the universal background check bandwagon I believe she is going for the health care exchange.

Yeh. Rubio hasn't been very clear on gun control either.

I'd like a Paul/Cruz ticket or vice versa.

[gumpmonkey]

Originally Posted by czsmithGT

Rand Paul and Susana Martinez might make an interesting ticket. I wonder if they would be electable?

Of course not, only a Jeb Bush/Chris Christie ticket will fly , just ask Swami Karl Rove he knows all about who's electable.-Jp

[Kablam]

I heard somewhere that Cruz was born in Canada before his parents immigrated to the U.S. Anybody know about that or did I hallucinate it?

[akroguy]

Originally Posted by czsmithGT

Rand Paul and Susana Martinez might make an interesting ticket. I wonder if they would be electable?

Indeed. Susana is my Gov and I think she's doing pretty well considering she's fighting a pack of liberal la raza career politicians at the state capitol.

She also packs heat and is easy on the eyes. Bonus points there.

[czsmithGT]

Originally Posted by Kablam

I heard somewhere that Cruz was born in Canada before his parents immigrated to the U.S. Anybody know about that or did I hallucinate it?

He was born in Canada. His father Cuban, his mother American, so he is a natural born US citizen.

[akroguy]

Originally Posted by Slug71

Yeh. Rubio hasn't been very clear on gun control either.

I'd like a Paul/Cruz ticket or vice versa.

Man, that's another fine ticket right there.

[HarleyGuy]

THe left was able to convince a majority of the votes during the last Presidential election that Obama was a better candidate than Mitt Romney so I don't have much confidence in the voters these days.

I think we should concentrate on the 2014 mid-term election and trying to keep the House and taking back the Senate for now.

[EnemyOfTheState]

Originally Posted by vart

Keep on disparaging Christians and you will get the nation you deserve...

I have no problems with Christianity, I don't go to church but I beleive in God.

What I have a problem with is people who try to make their religous codes and morals the law of the land. Thats not what God nor the founders of this nation intended.

When a GOPer gets behind a microphone and starts talking about rape being an act of God and legitimate, and picketing DC with "being gay is a sin" signs, it tends to drive voters away from the GOP.

We have bigger problems in this country now than whether or not two gay people can get married, I think the GOP needs to focus on free market economics and limited government and stop trying to turn the government into a moral enforcer.

Its not government's job to mold society and make you a better person no more than it is to rob you to pay a welfare leech.

[Kablam]

Originally Posted by czsmithGT

He was born in Canada. His father Cuban, his mother American, so he is a natural born US citizen.

Thank you.

[Kablam]

Originally Posted by EnemyOfTheState

I have no problems with Christianity, I don't go to church but I beleive in God.

What I have a problem with is people who try to make their religous codes and morals the law of the land. Thats not what God nor the founders of this nation intended.

When a GOPer gets behind a microphone and starts talking about rape being an act of God and legitimate, and picketing DC with "being gay is a sin" signs, it tends to drive voters away from the GOP.

We have bigger problems in this country now than whether or not two gay people can get married, I think the GOP needs to focus on free market economics and limited government and stop trying to turn the government into a moral enforcer.

Its not government's job to mold society and make you a better person no more than it is to rob you to pay a welfare leech.

Are you sure about that? John Adams was a founder, and I suspect he knew exactly what he and the others had in mind when they wrote the Constitution. “Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”

[Slug71]

Originally Posted by Kablam

Are you sure about that? John Adams was a founder, and I suspect he knew exactly what he and the others had in mind when they wrote the Constitution. “Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”

Either way, religion control is bad. Especially when you are going for votes. You can't shove christianity down people's throats. The politicians need to keep religion out of politics.

[IvanVic]

Rand has great ideas, unfortunately I doubt he'd be able to keep his hands off the social issues because of his constituency. I'd like to see most of his ideas embraced by someone who is actually electable.

[TX OMFS]

Originally Posted by EnemyOfTheState

Its not government's job to mold society and make you a better person no more than it is to rob you to pay a welfare leech.

Agreed. Government cannot make anyone a different or better person.

Social issues are still important, though. Goverment can't change your mind or your behavior but it can draw lines in the sand.

A skilled politician can focus on conservative economic principles while also acknowledging the importance of social issues.

Those idiots going on about rape in the last election where not skilled politicians. Hell, they weren't even smart people. They were just morons.

[czsmithGT]

Originally Posted by Kablam

Are you sure about that? John Adams was a founder, and I suspect he knew exactly what he and the others had in mind when they wrote the Constitution. “Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”

"I will insist that the Hebrews have done more to civilize men than any other nation. If I were an atheist, and believed in blind eternal fate, I should still believe that fate had ordained the Jews to be the most essential instrument for civilizing the nations. If I were an atheist of the other sect, who believe or pretend to believe that all is ordered by chance, I should believe that chance had ordered the Jews to preserve and propagate to all mankind the doctrine of a supreme, intelligent, wise, almighty sovereign of the universe, which I believe to be the great essential principle of all morality, and consequently of all civilization." - John Adams in his letter to François Adriaan van der Kemp (16 February 1809).

[Bren]

Originally Posted by Kablam

Are you sure about that? John Adams was a founder, and I suspect he knew exactly what he and the others had in mind when they wrote the Constitution. “Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.”

I think you misunderstand that statement. John Adams did not advocate religious government or involving religion in government - neither did the churches of the time, in fact. John Adams, best I can tell, is saying simply that you have to have a moral population to survive with the amount of freedom they had back then.

The population we have now, unfortunately, is proving him right (hence the constant battle to take away freedom in order to control the immoral elements of society).

The quote is always repeated out of context. Here is the context:

Gentleman,
While our country remains untainted with the principles and manners which are now producing desolation in so many parts of the world; while she continues sincere, and incapable of insidious and impious policy, we shall have the strongest reason to rejoice in the local destination assigned us by Providence. But should the people of America once become capable of that deep simulation towards one another, and towards foreign nations, which assumes the language of justice and moderation while it is practising iniquity and extravagance, and displays I have received from Major-General Hull and Brigadier, General Walker your unanimous address from Lexington, animated with a martial spirit, and expressed with a military dignity becoming your character and the memorable plains on which it was adopted. in the most captivating manner the charming pictures of candor, frankness, and sincerity, while it is rioting in rapine and insolence, this country will be the most miserable habitation in the world; because we have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion. Avarice, ambition, revenge, or gallantry, • would break the strongest cords of our Constitution as a whale goes through a net. Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.

An address from the officers commanding two thousand eight hundred men, consisting of such substantial citizens as are able and willing at their own expense completely to arm and clothe themselves in handsome uniforms, does honor to that division of the militia which has done so much honor to its country. Oaths in this country are as yet universally considered as sacred obligations. That which you have taken and so solemnly repeated on that venerable spot, is an ample pledge of your sincerity and devotion to your country and its government.