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Old 03-08-2013, 09:53   #226
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IQ tests are biased, is the common excuse. But, for some reason, no one has ever been able to design a IQ test that is biased in such a manner that the racial breakdown differs significantly from previous tests.
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IQ test always find what the designers of the IQ test expect to find. If they don't then the test is declared invalid.
Do you not think that someone in today's political climate would be interested in designing a test that contradicted the historical results?
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Regents tests for high school students in NYS were deemed 'unfair' and the changes to them included cutting back on the "number of words' (too many words was one criticism), then the passing scores were dropped so that more poor students could graduate with a Regents Diploma.. I have no idea how far that idiocy has actually been accepted and developed lately, but back a while ago, the only people being fooled were the teachers, regents, and a few parents.
The kids all knew the system was a joke.

As Garrison Keillor says, "... where all the women are strong, the men good-looking, and the kids are above average.."

That's maybe what we need the IQ tests to do, score everyone on a flexible curve which declares all genius and above.
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Skyhook - what you have described is the happy horse**** that liberals bring to the table. They need to face up, there are winners and losers in life and you can call a loser a winner - but he is still a loser.

Had the same crap when my kids were little and the town decided that they would no longer keep score in T-ball, and everyone would get a "participation" Trophy. Well the umps might not have kept score, but the kids sure did. Even they were smart enough to see what a joke it was.
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Skyhook - what you have described is the happy horse**** that liberals bring to the table. They need to face up, there are winners and losers in life and you can call a loser a winner - but he is still a loser.

Had the same crap when my kids were little and the town decided that they would no longer keep score in T-ball, and everyone would get a "participation" Trophy. Well the umps might not have kept score, but the kids sure did. Even they were smart enough to see what a joke it was.

Kids know.. they know a lot about fairness and foul crapola.

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That's maybe what we need the IQ tests to do, score everyone on a flexible curve which declares all genius and above.
And then give 'em a trophy.
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Do you not think that someone in today's political climate would be interested in designing a test that contradicted the historical results?
The best polical move in this country has been to USE the group of people with low IQ and talley their votes in your corner, so you can gain power.

Why would you want to invent more tests? Our beloved democratic system has both strengths and weaknesses. It offers huge opportunity for those with IQs to exploit those with low IQs by using their votes. But if we'd move to a full Socialist or any other system, the picture remains the same: low IQs get used.
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I can see how the thinking of some people have gotten them in the mess that they are in and believe me it doesn't have a thing to do with race. Some of them are right here on this website.
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Do you not think that someone in today's political climate would be interested in designing a test that contradicted the historical results?
If they did that in any political climate, they wouldn't get published so you would never know about it.
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No, it demonstrates that you haven't done much reading or research on IQ tests or the allegations of cultural bias. IQ tests have been an interest of mine since I first started taking them as a youngster and, based on what I have seen, both in research and the real world, I don't buy the claims that differing IQ scores are a defect in the test.
I''ve always wondered, how do you put a cultural bias into math testing?

I guess you could ask, "If Willie has a half an ounce of cocaine, and wants to convert it to crack, how many eightballs will he have when he is done if he doesn't step on it with anything?
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I''ve always wondered, how do you put a cultural bias into math testing?

I guess you could ask, "If Willie has a half an ounce of cocaine, and wants to convert it to crack, how many eightballs will he have when he is done if he doesn't step on it with anything?

...Or tests for spatial perception, like "memorize as much of these patterns as you can in 15 seconds, then draw them on the next page..."


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I''ve always wondered, how do you put a cultural bias into math testing?

I guess you could ask, "If Willie has a half an ounce of cocaine, and wants to convert it to crack, how many eightballs will he have when he is done if he doesn't step on it with anything?
How many joints in a dime bag if cheech is smoking?...

If I throw 6 shots with a Glock fotee, how many left in the clip?...

If 9 GDs come to rob me, and I cap 3 a dey asses, how many I gotta cap tomorrow?...


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I''ve always wondered, how do you put a cultural bias into math testing?

I guess you could ask, "If Willie has a half an ounce of cocaine, and wants to convert it to crack, how many eightballs will he have when he is done if he doesn't step on it with anything?
How about, "When would you use a ten round regular rather than an eight round eue?"
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If they did that in any political climate, they wouldn't get published so you would never know about it.
You're kiddin', right? Or are you just bullsh..ing.

In today's political climate, if an IQ test revealed results that demonstrated that one of the groups that traditionally was at the lower end of the scale, was "equal" to those that traditionally score at the high end, it would be trumpeted with great fanfare.
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You're kiddin', right? Or are you just bullsh..ing.

In today's political climate, if an IQ test revealed results that demonstrated that one of the groups that traditionally was at the lower end of the scale, was "equal" to those that traditionally score at the high end, it would be trumpeted with great fanfare.
Once again, what is intelligence? The people at the lower end of the scale don't make the tests. You ignored my earlier question. How can you define intelligence as something you don't know? IQ test measure what those who make the tests define as intelligence. It's easy to make a test showing people who think like you are intellectually superior to other people. The Army Alpha "proved" that intelligent people lived close to Harvard. The further from Harvard you lived, the less intelligent you were. If you grew up in Texas you were towards the bottom of the scale.

In the Nineteenth Century Broca attempted to measure intelligence by measuring brain volume. He would fill the brain capacities of dead peoples skulls with sawdust and then pour the sawdust into a graduated cylinder to measure the volume. He found that White European men were at the top and Black African women were at the bottom in terms of brain volume. Suddenly, everyone war replicating his research and finding the same things. Then some German researchers found that Germans had bigger brains than the French. The French immediately accused the German researchers of bias and pointed out that Germans had bigger bodies so they would natural have bigger heads with larger brain cavities. After that the entire endeavor collapsed among charges and counter charges of bias. The point is, as much as we may try to avoid our own biases, we can't entirely do that. Until Africans have the political power to start defining intelligence, all IQ test will show them at the bottom of the scale.
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There is a lot more to it, Muskogee, than who writes the tests. If a group of less intelligent people write tests that they can score well on, does that actually make them smarter? No.

Besides, liberal educators have been dumbing down our schools for years, because they don't like it that some students are smarter than others.


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There is a lot more to it, Muskogee, than who writes the tests. If a group of less intelligent people write tests that they can score well on, does that actually make them smarter? No.
One more time, define intelligence.

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Besides, liberal educators have been dumbing down our schools for years, because they don't like it that some students are smarter than others.
It's not just Liberals. Years ago we started "tracking students". We realized we couldn't teach students with lower abilities at the same level we taught average students or gifted students. During the one room school era, teachers could provide individualized instructions. Teachers can't do that with 20 or more students in a class. Tracking was an attempt to teach larger class sizes. No one wanted their children in the "dumb classes". They all wanted their children in the gifted classes. Many parents refuse to accept that their children are not all gifted. Hence Garrison Keillor's comment about all the children being above average. So now we mainstream and pretend everyone is average. No parent want's their child to fail, so we pretend they all deserve promotion to the next grade.

The Liberals labor under the delusion that "all children can learn". The Conservatives labor under the delusion that all their children can learn but other people's children can't.
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IT IS mostly a black problem (as well as an illegal alien one). But to acknowledge the problem means something has to be done about it, and politicians shudder at what that might bring..
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One more thing to throw in the mix.

http://takimag.com/article/tackling_...#axzz2NMMHefJq

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Though they [asians] comprise less than 4.8% of the American population, they make up 8.3% of all doctors. Only 2.3% of doctors are African American, yet they’re 13% of the population. Thirty percent of African American men will go to jail, but only 1.6% of prisoners are Asian. Nobody sees the problem with that?
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One more thing to throw in the mix.

http://takimag.com/article/tackling_...#axzz2NMMHefJq

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Though they [asians] comprise less than 4.8% of the American population, they make up 8.3% of all doctors. Only 2.3% of doctors are African American, yet they’re 13% of the population. Thirty percent of African American men will go to jail, but only 1.6% of prisoners are Asian. Nobody sees the problem with that?

Wow -- racism is soooooooooooooo selective...!







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One more thing to throw in the mix.

http://takimag.com/article/tackling_...#axzz2NMMHefJq
Good point. As has been mentioned earlier in this thread, blacks are immigrants to America twice, actually. First involuntarily as slaves, and second as factory workers who moved north after WWII to seek better lives than they had in the South.

They are the only group of immigrants to America who have pretty much just flat-out failed. Why?


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Good point. As has been mentioned earlier in this thread, blacks are immigrants to America twice, actually. First involuntarily as slaves, and second as factory workers who moved north after WWII to seek better lives than they had in the South.

They are the only group of immigrants to America who have pretty much just flat-out failed. Why?


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http://takimag.com/article/tackling_...#axzz2NMMHefJq
Holy Cow!

I thought everyone that wasn't white Anglo-Saxon in heritage was being oppressed and they were all failing in our society.

I am shocked, I tell you, shocked

I wonder how that can be
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Read Black Rednecks and White Liberals by Thomas Sowell.
Without even reading it, I am going to go out on a limb, and bet that it says that whatever is wrong with blacks today, it is white people's fault. Am I right?
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Without even reading it, I am going to go out on a limb, and bet that it says that whatever is wrong with blacks today, it is white people's fault. Am I right?

Haven't read that book, yet, but, being familiar with other stuff Sowell has written, I doubt it will come off as you predict.

Just guessing.
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