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Old 03-01-2013, 14:03   #141
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You can't stop people form being sociopaths but you can repeal laws that make it easy for them to get rich and powerful.
Without sociopaths the world would be a worse place.
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Old 03-01-2013, 15:33   #142
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You can't stop people form being sociopaths but you can repeal laws that make it easy for them to get rich and powerful.
What's your basis for that opinion? Do you realize think that most of the CEOs of most of the world's corporations are not probably sociopaths.

I don't blame people for wanting a pollyanna world, only for thinking they can get one by giving criminals what they want, and thinking they won't then want more.
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Old 03-01-2013, 16:03   #143
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What's your basis for that opinion? Do you realize think that most of the CEOs of most of the world's corporations are not probably sociopaths.

I don't blame people for wanting a pollyanna world, only for thinking they can get one by giving criminals what they want, and thinking they won't then want more.
See I'd disagree. I'd bet most of them are. I think it's a trait that probably is very common among preeminent leaders. A necessary one.

The irony of muscogee's post is that he fails to see how he's served by it. People like him blame their failures on others. He's relegated to leech status because someone else caused it.
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Old 03-01-2013, 21:10   #144
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If the entire population committed murder at the rate of whites, Chicago would have had 64 murders in 2012 instead of 512. If the entire population committed murder at the rate of the black segment of the population, there would have been 1200 murders in 2012.

The data to back it up is here. VVV

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Old 03-01-2013, 22:59   #145
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The OP basically has it correct, however it would be more accurate to say '"the gun problem" is primarily a "black problem"'. That data is available and it's conclusive.
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Old 03-01-2013, 23:42   #146
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The OP basically has it correct, however it would be more accurate to say '"the gun problem" is primarily a "black problem"'. That data is available and it's conclusive.
Yes, except that if, as SpectreRider explains above, if the entire population committed murders at the rates whites commit them, we wouldn't even be talking about a "gun problem."
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Old 03-02-2013, 00:40   #148
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Are you kidding me??

This thinking of people should be able to completely self destruct either rapidly or over a period of time without intervention to save that person is doing a disservice to those people.

You can't be serious?

Who exactly do I owe "service" to?

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See I'd disagree. I'd bet most of them are. I think it's a trait that probably is very common among preeminent leaders. A necessary one.

The irony of muscogee's post is that he fails to see how he's served by it. People like him blame their failures on others. He's relegated to leech status because someone else caused it.
That was a poorly written post, on a computer that logs me out of GT when I try to edit.

I meant that CEOs, high ranking government officials, and most military of general rank, are sociopaths, and out of necessity. Otherwise, how could they live with the decisions that are absolutely necessary for them to carry out as part of their job, if they allowed empathy and compassion for those who would suffer to affect them? How could you order an attack on an enemy stronghold, knowing that dozens of families were going to be destryed forever, if you had empathy? How could you lay off 20,000 people, who hadn't done anything wrong, and destroy their lives, if you had empathy? I hate to say it, but I saw it where I worked and even in myself in some ways, because of what my job made it necessary for me to do.

I didn't think this up. It was pointed out to me in training by a psychologist who was contracted to work with these very people for many years. Not all sociopaths are evil, but all sociopaths operate with no or little empathy for others, and with great concern for themselves.

Most of our laws are designed to try and make people not act like people act with no controls over them. Sometimes, it works better on certain people than others. The only thing that affects sociopath's behavior is the possibility that their behavior may negative affect themselves. That's what the law does, and rules do.
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Old 03-02-2013, 07:25   #153
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I meant that CEOs, high ranking government officials, and most military of general rank, are sociopaths, and out of necessity. Otherwise, how could they live with the decisions that are absolutely necessary for them to carry out as part of their job, if they allowed empathy and compassion for those who would suffer to affect them? How could you order an attack on an enemy stronghold, knowing that dozens of families were going to be destryed forever, if you had empathy? How could you lay off 20,000 people, who hadn't done anything wrong, and destroy their lives, if you had empathy? I hate to say it, but I saw it where I worked and even in myself in some ways, because of what my job made it necessary for me to do.
With all due respect, I can't disagree more. Despite what a psychologist may have told you, you are incorrectly labeling a whole lot of folks as sociopaths. One does not become a sociopath "out of necessity."

Moreover, true sociopaths have difficulty with school and work, and are thus unlikely to ever rise to the level of being a CEO of a large company.

As for having to make decisions to lay off thousands of employees. Yes, that kind of a job is not for everyone, just as not everyone is suited to be an officer who leads troops into combat in war.

The truth is, though, that the CEO who is forced to lay off employees works for the shareholders of corporations. The owners of the stock in those companies is not just rich folks. It's actually also people like you and me who have pensions, 401(k) plans and IRA's that are invested in stocks, bonds and mutual funds. I sure would not have to be the guy who has to decide to lay off workers to keep the company afloat. That's probably a big reason why I am not in a position like that. But making those decisions does not require one to be a sociopath. Nor can you assume that the person making the decision has no remorse for having to do it.
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With all due respect, I can't disagree more. Despite what a psychologist may have told you, you are incorrectly labeling a whole lot of folks as sociopaths. One does not become a sociopath "out of necessity."

Moreover, true sociopaths have difficulty with school and work, and are thus unlikely to ever rise to the level of being a CEO of a large company.

As for having to make decisions to lay off thousands of employees. Yes, that kind of a job is not for everyone, just as not everyone is suited to be an officer who leads troops into combat in war.

The truth is, though, that the CEO who is forced to lay off employees works for the shareholders of corporations. The owners of the stock in those companies is not just rich folks. It's actually also people like you and me who have pensions, 401(k) plans and IRA's that are invested in stocks, bonds and mutual funds. I sure would not have to be the guy who has to decide to lay off workers to keep the company afloat. That's probably a big reason why I am not in a position like that. But making those decisions does not require one to be a sociopath. Nor can you assume that the person making the decision has no remorse for having to do it.
Okay. Examine the reason why you don't think you would like to be in that position. What is it about laying off workers to keep a company afloat that would bother you?
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That was a poorly written post, on a computer that logs me out of GT when I try to edit.

I meant that CEOs, high ranking government officials, and most military of general rank, are sociopaths, and out of necessity. Otherwise, how could they live with the decisions that are absolutely necessary for them to carry out as part of their job, if they allowed empathy and compassion for those who would suffer to affect them? How could you order an attack on an enemy stronghold, knowing that dozens of families were going to be destryed forever, if you had empathy? How could you lay off 20,000 people, who hadn't done anything wrong, and destroy their lives, if you had empathy? I hate to say it, but I saw it where I worked and even in myself in some ways, because of what my job made it necessary for me to do.

I didn't think this up. It was pointed out to me in training by a psychologist who was contracted to work with these very people for many years. Not all sociopaths are evil, but all sociopaths operate with no or little empathy for others, and with great concern for themselves.

Most of our laws are designed to try and make people not act like people act with no controls over them. Sometimes, it works better on certain people than others. The only thing that affects sociopath's behavior is the possibility that their behavior may negative affect themselves. That's what the law does, and rules do.
Yes we're in complete agreement.

It was just the other day that my wife and I were talking about something and I said, "I have enough sociopath in me to do it."
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