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Old 02-26-2013, 12:26   #1
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AR Pistol

Anyone know if I have to register my AR as a pistol, or can I just be ok with having the pistol buffer tube on it?
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Old 02-26-2013, 13:17   #2
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I don't believe you can take a lower that has already been assembled as a rifle and turn it into a pistol. If you start with a stripped lower and never assemble it as a rifle, you can build it as a pistol. When you fill out the 4473 for a lower it should be marked as "other/receiver."
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Old 02-26-2013, 14:01   #3
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What's this about gun registration in NC?
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Old 02-26-2013, 14:48   #4
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Here in MI it has to be registered as a pistol when purchased stripped. Unfortunately for us, we have to register all pistols with our local department and state police.


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Old 02-26-2013, 17:10   #5
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In NC, there is no registration.
If it started as a rifle, then it has to stay a rifle.
If it started stripped, then you are fine to make it how ever you would like.
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Old 02-26-2013, 17:48   #6
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If it started stripped, then you are fine to make it how ever you would like.
Could you legally switch configurations back and forth? Just curious...





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Old 02-26-2013, 17:55   #7
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Typically a pistol has a short barrel (less than 16") so by putting a stock on it without a tax stamp you're asking for trouble and a date with big bubba. Assuming you want a pistol with a 16" barrel then I don't see why you couldn't just put a stock on it whenever you like. Having such a setup is pointless as a pistol.


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Old 02-26-2013, 18:30   #8
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As long as it starts as a pistol.
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Old 02-26-2013, 18:33   #9
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In NC, there is no registration.
If it started as a rifle, then it has to stay a rifle.
If it started stripped, then you are fine to make it how ever you would like.

I know that there's no registration here. I was unclear in my OP. I was referring to any forms for the ATF? I don't want them to show up one day and my pistol AR to be illegal. It has a pistol buffer tube already. No upper mounted yet.
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Old 02-26-2013, 18:39   #10
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I know that there's no registration here. I was unclear in my OP. I was referring to any forms for the ATF? I don't want them to show up one day and my pistol AR to be illegal. It has a pistol buffer tube already. No upper mounted yet.
So long as it is on the 4473 as "OTHER" (as all stripped lowers should be), you're fine.
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Old 02-26-2013, 18:42   #11
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I know that there's no registration here. I was unclear in my OP. I was referring to any forms for the ATF? I don't want them to show up one day and my pistol AR to be illegal. It has a pistol buffer tube already. No upper mounted yet.
Here's the stupidity of the law- did you buy this brand new as either a stripped lower or a pistol lower with the buffer tube installed?

As mentioned, it's OK to build a stripped receiver into a pistol, and you can convert a pistol to a rifle and back again without any problems.

However, if you build a rifle with it first, then you can't later make it a pistol. Same goes if the person you bought it from made it into a rifle first. Stupid, right?
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Old 02-26-2013, 20:05   #12
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So if one has a stripped lower registered as "other", it can be made into a pistol with a 11.5" upper. But if you remove the pistol buffer tube and add a but stock....you now have an SBR, correct? And that calls for the $200 stamp. Are these stock configurations legal "pistols" or are they considered SBRs?

https://www.exilemachine.net/shop/fe...bec-53658.html

On a side note, I don't think I ever handled a AR pistol that didn't have problems.


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Old 02-26-2013, 20:28   #13
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So if one has a stripped lower registered as "other", it can be made into a pistol with a 11.5" upper. But if you remove the pistol buffer tube and add a but stock....you now have an SBR, correct? And that calls for the $200 stamp. Are these stock configurations legal "pistols" or are they considered SBRs?

https://www.exilemachine.net/shop/fe...bec-53658.html

On a side note, I don't think I ever handled a AR pistol that didn't have problems.



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The link would be a stock - not legal on a pistol AR.

Edit: Actually, there's a pistol buffer tube in the photo, as well as a shoulder stock.
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Old 02-26-2013, 20:48   #14
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Edit: Actually, there's a pistol buffer tube in the photo, as well as a shoulder stock.
So it's still technically a AR pistol....right?

If so, might be a good way to go with if you live in a state where you can't own a SBR or don't want to pay the $200 stamp. Interesting.




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So it's still technically a AR pistol....right?

If so, might be a good way to go with if you live in a state where you can't own a SBR or don't want to pay the $200 stamp. Interesting.




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Or in my case, I'm putting a pistol together to keep in the truck. Here in MI we can't drive around with a loaded rifle in the truck. However, with a CPL you can have a loaded AR pistol. That's the only reason I'd want a pistol over a SBR.


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Edit: Actually, there's a pistol buffer tube in the photo, as well as a shoulder stock.
Would the pistol grip have to be removed as shown in the picture? Couldn't one just use the pistol buffer with that little shoulder stock attached to it?




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Would the pistol grip have to be removed as shown in the picture? Couldn't one just use the pistol buffer with that little shoulder stock attached to it?




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I may be wrong but I think if you have any way to effectively shoulder the weapon it falls under the SBR category. You could shoulder a pistol buffer tube I guess but who knows


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I may be wrong but I think if you have any way to effectively shoulder the weapon it falls under the SBR category. You could shoulder a pistol buffer tube I guess but who knows
I thought it simply had to have a barrel shorter than 16" and a RIFLE stock. The kit in the link above simply has a piece attached to the pistol buffer tube, yet the pistol grip has been removed. Why the removal of the pistol grip? Dono....




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I thought it simply had to have a barrel shorter than 16" and a RIFLE stock. The kit in the link above simply has a piece attached to the pistol buffer tube, yet the pistol grip has been removed. Why the removal of the pistol grip? Dono....




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Shoulder stock is a shoulder stock. I'd call that a no-go.
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It's made for states that limit the number of "evil features."
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