AR Pistol

bigmoney890 · 02-26-2013, 11:26

Anyone know if I have to register my AR as a pistol, or can I just be ok with having the pistol buffer tube on it?

larson1122 · 02-26-2013, 12:17

I don't believe you can take a lower that has already been assembled as a rifle and turn it into a pistol. If you start with a stripped lower and never assemble it as a rifle, you can build it as a pistol. When you fill out the 4473 for a lower it should be marked as "other/receiver."

G23Adam · 02-26-2013, 13:01

What's this about gun registration in NC?

KK40384 · 02-26-2013, 13:48

Here in MI it has to be registered as a pistol when purchased stripped. Unfortunately for us, we have to register all pistols with our local department and state police.

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MaximaDrvr · 02-26-2013, 16:10

In NC, there is no registration.
If it started as a rifle, then it has to stay a rifle.
If it started stripped, then you are fine to make it how ever you would like.

DrtyHarry · 02-26-2013, 16:48

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Originally Posted by MaximaDrvr

If it started stripped, then you are fine to make it how ever you would like.

Could you legally switch configurations back and forth? Just curious...

DH

KK40384 · 02-26-2013, 16:55

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Originally Posted by DrtyHarry

Could you legally switch configurations back and forth? Just curious...

DH

Typically a pistol has a short barrel (less than 16") so by putting a stock on it without a tax stamp you're asking for trouble and a date with big bubba. Assuming you want a pistol with a 16" barrel then I don't see why you couldn't just put a stock on it whenever you like. Having such a setup is pointless as a pistol.

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larson1122 · 02-26-2013, 17:30

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Originally Posted by DrtyHarry

Could you legally switch configurations back and forth? Just curious...

DH

As long as it starts as a pistol.

bigmoney890 · 02-26-2013, 17:33

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Originally Posted by MaximaDrvr

In NC, there is no registration.
If it started as a rifle, then it has to stay a rifle.
If it started stripped, then you are fine to make it how ever you would like.

I know that there's no registration here. I was unclear in my OP. I was referring to any forms for the ATF? I don't want them to show up one day and my pistol AR to be illegal. It has a pistol buffer tube already. No upper mounted yet.

WoodenPlank · 02-26-2013, 17:39

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Originally Posted by bigmoney890

I know that there's no registration here. I was unclear in my OP. I was referring to any forms for the ATF? I don't want them to show up one day and my pistol AR to be illegal. It has a pistol buffer tube already. No upper mounted yet.

So long as it is on the 4473 as "OTHER" (as all stripped lowers should be), you're fine.

Raleigh Glocker · 02-26-2013, 17:42

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Originally Posted by bigmoney890

I know that there's no registration here. I was unclear in my OP. I was referring to any forms for the ATF? I don't want them to show up one day and my pistol AR to be illegal. It has a pistol buffer tube already. No upper mounted yet.

Here's the stupidity of the law- did you buy this brand new as either a stripped lower or a pistol lower with the buffer tube installed?

As mentioned, it's OK to build a stripped receiver into a pistol, and you can convert a pistol to a rifle and back again without any problems.

However, if you build a rifle with it first, then you can't later make it a pistol. Same goes if the person you bought it from made it into a rifle first. Stupid, right?

DrtyHarry · 02-26-2013, 19:05

So if one has a stripped lower registered as "other", it can be made into a pistol with a 11.5" upper. But if you remove the pistol buffer tube and add a but stock....you now have an SBR, correct? And that calls for the $200 stamp. Are these stock configurations legal "pistols" or are they considered SBRs?

https://www.exilemachine.net/shop/fe...bec-53658.html

On a side note, I don't think I ever handled a AR pistol that didn't have problems.

DH

WoodenPlank · 02-26-2013, 19:28

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Originally Posted by DrtyHarry

So if one has a stripped lower registered as "other", it can be made into a pistol with a 11.5" upper. But if you remove the pistol buffer tube and add a but stock....you now have an SBR, correct? And that calls for the $200 stamp. Are these stock configurations legal "pistols" or are they considered SBRs?

https://www.exilemachine.net/shop/fe...bec-53658.html

On a side note, I don't think I ever handled a AR pistol that didn't have problems.

DH

The link would be a stock - not legal on a pistol AR.

Edit: Actually, there's a pistol buffer tube in the photo, as well as a shoulder stock.

DrtyHarry · 02-26-2013, 19:48

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Originally Posted by WoodenPlank

Edit: Actually, there's a pistol buffer tube in the photo, as well as a shoulder stock.

So it's still technically a AR pistol....right?

If so, might be a good way to go with if you live in a state where you can't own a SBR or don't want to pay the $200 stamp. Interesting.

DH

KK40384 · 02-26-2013, 20:00

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Originally Posted by DrtyHarry

So it's still technically a AR pistol....right?

If so, might be a good way to go with if you live in a state where you can't own a SBR or don't want to pay the $200 stamp. Interesting.

DH

Or in my case, I'm putting a pistol together to keep in the truck. Here in MI we can't drive around with a loaded rifle in the truck. However, with a CPL you can have a loaded AR pistol. That's the only reason I'd want a pistol over a SBR.

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DrtyHarry · 02-26-2013, 20:03

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Originally Posted by WoodenPlank

Edit: Actually, there's a pistol buffer tube in the photo, as well as a shoulder stock.

Would the pistol grip have to be removed as shown in the picture? Couldn't one just use the pistol buffer with that little shoulder stock attached to it?

DH

KK40384 · 02-26-2013, 20:15

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Originally Posted by DrtyHarry

Would the pistol grip have to be removed as shown in the picture? Couldn't one just use the pistol buffer with that little shoulder stock attached to it?

DH

I may be wrong but I think if you have any way to effectively shoulder the weapon it falls under the SBR category. You could shoulder a pistol buffer tube I guess but who knows

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DrtyHarry · 02-26-2013, 20:25

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Originally Posted by KK40384

I may be wrong but I think if you have any way to effectively shoulder the weapon it falls under the SBR category. You could shoulder a pistol buffer tube I guess but who knows

I thought it simply had to have a barrel shorter than 16" and a RIFLE stock. The kit in the link above simply has a piece attached to the pistol buffer tube, yet the pistol grip has been removed. Why the removal of the pistol grip? Dono....

DH

rockapede · 02-26-2013, 20:50

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Originally Posted by DrtyHarry

I thought it simply had to have a barrel shorter than 16" and a RIFLE stock. The kit in the link above simply has a piece attached to the pistol buffer tube, yet the pistol grip has been removed. Why the removal of the pistol grip? Dono....

DH

Shoulder stock is a shoulder stock. I'd call that a no-go.

larson1122 · 02-26-2013, 21:20

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Originally Posted by DrtyHarry

Why the removal of the pistol grip? Dono....

DH

It's made for states that limit the number of "evil features."

KK40384 · 02-26-2013, 21:37

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Originally Posted by larson1122

It's made for states that limit the number of "evil features."

Evil features or not still has a shoulder stock and any barrel less than 16" would be a no no without a tax stamp.

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larson1122 · 02-26-2013, 21:54

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Originally Posted by KK40384

Evil features or not still has a shoulder stock and any barrel less than 16" would be a no no without a tax stamp.

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I am aware, I was referring to the fact that it was designed for retarded states like CA and NY. It was never meant to be used for AR pistols.

DrtyHarry · 02-26-2013, 22:25

So in the link above, type III configuration would be considered an SBR if the barrel is shorter than 16"....since it has a fixed stock assembly. Right?

DH

***Travclem*** · 02-26-2013, 22:52

All 3 configurations would be SBRs if the barrels are <16".

Roger1079 · 02-27-2013, 04:36

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Originally Posted by Travclem

All 3 configurations would be SBRs if the barrels are <16".

This is your answer sir. Any configuration in those pictures would make that an SBR. Also, just because that pistol buffer can accept the shoulder pad, simply having that in the safe with the AR pistol would constitute constructive intent of an unregistered SBR if the barrel is less than 16". Unless you have a Form 1 with an approved stamp on it to make said pistol into an SBR, I wouldn't risk even buying it.