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Old 02-28-2013, 09:46   #1
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Magpul Breaks Bad, Continues Sales to LEOs in Ban States

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/201...an-state-leos/



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Yup. I think they saw their customer base turn on them and decided they made the wrong decision.

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Back in 1990, when I was deployed in Desert Shield and Desert Storm as a Marine grunt, some companies prioritized me items for my M16 for shipping that I purchased with my own funds. After getting out and forming Magpul in 1999, I established the same priority policy for Military and Law Enforcement, due to the requirements of their profession.

The same policy has been in place for 13 years now and has never been an issue until a few days ago. I do not support the idea that individual police officers should be punished for the actions of their elected officials. That said, I understand the concerns that some have with Law Enforcement officers getting special treatment while at the same time denouncing second amendment rights to another citizen in the same state.

With the fight in Colorado right now we do not have time to implement a new program, so I have suspended all LE sales to ban states until we can implement a system wherein any Law Enforcement Officer buying for duty use will have to promise to uphold their oath to the US Constitution - specifically the second and fourteenth amendments - as it applies to all citizens.

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Old 02-28-2013, 09:58   #2
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Interesting points raised by the author.

I have to ask one obvious question. Why all the posturing about Colorado's gun ban but willing do business in New York? Seems pretty hypocritical to me!
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Old 02-28-2013, 10:01   #3
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I just saw that article really late last night. I don't really know what to say. I agree their stance on CO laws and doing this contradicts themselves.
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Old 02-28-2013, 10:20   #4
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This is not cool at all. Total BS from Magpul. Guess it's really all about the revenue stream.

Boycott Magpul? Is their biggest revenue stream LE or civilian?
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Old 02-28-2013, 10:52   #5
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Yep stand an support the 2nd 100% or bend over! Bad move on there part!
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Old 02-28-2013, 15:19   #6
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I'm going to refrain from any judgement till this story is independantly sourced. Why? Check out the story from Walls of the City below.

http://www.wallsofthecity.net/2012/1...rt-farago.html

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That disclaimer dispensed with, here is how it is. Over the past few years, Robert Farago – the editor of The Truth About Guns – has functionally leeched off of, exploited, stabbed in the back, maligned, abused, lied about, misrepresented, stolen from, and infringed upon the rights of countless other people, both actual pro-rights activists and people who are not at all involved in the firearm-related community. Recent events have shown us that people seem largely unaware of this pattern of misconduct in Robert’s past, so this post will serve as a centralized source of information on the same.
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Old 02-28-2013, 15:35   #7
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If this is true.. magpul is on my boycott list.
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Old 02-28-2013, 15:49   #8
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I'm going to refrain from any judgement till this story is independantly sourced. Why? Check out the story from Walls of the City below.

http://www.wallsofthecity.net/2012/1...rt-farago.html

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You can safely pass judgement. This story is legitimate. A Magpul employee posted this on ar15.com...


The answer is yes, our Distributors are allowed to sell to LEOs in ban states. Our founder has also said regarding LEO restrictions, "We have not considered such a move as we are not convinced that this tactic will have any effect on those in power (they will just buy Israeli or some other generic parts). It also adversely punishes street cops, local sheriffs and individual military members for the actions of those in power. The last thing we want to do is hurt those who support our cause."

So, we see that we can support Law Enforcement and Military members while standing up for our convictions and will continue to do everything in our power to protect our inherent rights.


As far as I'm concerned I'll never buy another Magpul product again and I've personally spent over $1000 on Magpul gear but never again. They've spent a lot of time and lobbying against Colorados impending gun ban and now this? All their blustering has been nothing but political hype and I don't think they're concerned with our rights at all.

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Old 02-28-2013, 16:02   #9
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You can safely pass judgement. This story is legitimate. A Magpul employee posted this on ar15.com...


The answer is yes, our Distributors are allowed to sell to LEOs in ban states. Our founder has also said regarding LEO restrictions, "We have not considered such a move as we are not convinced that this tactic will have any effect on those in power (they will just buy Israeli or some other generic parts). It also adversely punishes street cops, local sheriffs and individual military members for the actions of those in power. The last thing we want to do is hurt those who support our cause."

So, we see that we can support Law Enforcement and Military members while standing up for our convictions and will continue to do everything in our power to protect our inherent rights.


As far as I'm concerned I'll never buy another Magpul product again and I've personally spent over $1000 on Magpul gear but never again. They've spent a lot of time and lobbying against Colorados impending gun ban and now this? All their blustering has been nothing but political hype and I don't think they're concerned with our rights at all.
Magpul is doing the right thing. They are good people. Why make all the citizens of a state suffer because their government is a bunch of *********s. If my state passes stricter gun regulations that I don't agree with then Magpul shouldn't sell to my state?
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Old 02-28-2013, 16:38   #10
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Sounds good all of you can boycott them, hell better yet send me all ur evil magpul products since there such a horrible company for selling to leo's. what a joke. Do any of own colts or any other rifles that were only sold to leo's during the last ban or did you boycott them forever also?
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Does Magpul have a say on where their sellers move the product?
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Old 02-28-2013, 16:54   #12
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What was expected ? I would say the threat of moving is just posturing also. I can not see any well run money making Busniess in the firearms industry actually looking to move. They may think about it. They may start to explore moving options. Actually doing it is a totaly different matter. Exploring options in case they get regulated out of Busniess in their current location is just good forward thinking. No matter how good the offer is from another State it will still cost money. My bet is no one is moving anywhere unless they are forced to.
As to not selling to LEO's, On the fence. I understand the idea but doubt it will have any effect on Govt.. thinking. Could be some unintended consequences.
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Old 02-28-2013, 16:54   #13
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From what I've seen, MagPul did not specifically say they wouldn't supply LE in ban states.

They then did say, they can't stop who their distributors sell to. Which is basically correct.

If they said 'we won't sell to XXX" and then continued to...well duh, they're contradicting themselves. They have not yet, as far as I can see, done so.
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If this is true.. magpul is on my boycott list.
Are you *****ing kidding?! Why should the LEO's (who use their weapons to defend both themselves and the public) be punished because of some Jack*ss elected official?
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Magpul is doing the right thing. They are good people. Why make all the citizens of a state suffer because their government is a bunch of *********s. If my state passes stricter gun regulations that I don't agree with then Magpul shouldn't sell to my state?
It's not a matter of selling to citizens, it's a matter of selling their products to governments that are actively eroding our freedoms! Not only are they still going to sell their products to governments that ban civilian ownership of their products they are going to place their orders as higher priority over civilian sales.

Hypocrisy of the highest order!!!!
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My guess is someone in MagPul is an ex LEO or military and does not want to hurt the LEO's safety. The cops aren't any part of these laws until it comes to enforcing them. We will see how they uphold the laws soon enough unless things change before then.


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Magpukes Facebook page is being hammered with angry comments!
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My guess is someone in MagPul is an ex LEO or military and does not want to hurt the LEO's safety. The cops aren't any part of these laws until it comes to enforcing them. We will see how they uphold the laws soon enough unless things change before then.


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And how many police agencies, organizations and unions have been supporting the new wave of gun bans?

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And how many police agencies, organizations and unions have been supporting the new wave of gun bans?
You're blaming the rank and file for what the brass did. It's like blaming the friggin PFC for the General screwing up. Most cops I know are against this BS, but their bosses are politicians for the most part.
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This is too bad, put me down in the hypocrites section...
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Are you *****ing kidding?! Why should the LEO's (who use their weapons to defend both themselves and the public) be punished because of some Jack*ss elected official?
The real question is what is so special about LE that they are constantly exempted from this type of legislation. The minions that pay their salaries are getting tired of it. LE is made up of citizens like the rest of us.

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Old 02-28-2013, 17:30   #23
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I just bought 10 mags at a price I am too ashamed to share...I should have bought the D&H mags from Wilson Combat instead, and at a much cheaper price. I posted a thread about the email I got from Wilson....my hat comes off to them. Here, I'll post it again......

Wilson Combat Announces
Anti-Gun States, No-Sale Policy
Effective: February 28, 2013

Wilson Combat will no longer provide any products or services to any State Government imposing legislation that infringes on the second amendment rights of its law abiding citizens. This includes any Law Enforcement Department, Law Enforcement Officers, or any State Government Entity or Employee of such an entity. This also applies to any local municipality imposing such infringements.

States currently included in our No-Sale Policy are:

California
Hawaii
Maryland
Massachusetts
New Jersey
New York
Washington D.C.
The City of Chicago, Illinois

Wilson Combat will in NO way support the government of these states or their anti-gun agenda that only limits the rights of law-abiding citizens. Wilson Combat will continue to supply any product and/or service they can legally sell in these states to all non-government affiliated citizens.

Ryan Wilson,
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Everyone else should follow Wilson's lead!



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Sorry to hear this news. It will be interesting to see if they hold true to their threat to move.
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Old 02-28-2013, 18:06   #25
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Wilson Combat doesn't exactly make issued pistols for cops either.....

There's a few WC 1911s in cop holsters (seen them) but they're personally bought and qualified with. And fairly rare....

They're making a point but it's not exactly killing them financially. That'd be like Fiat saying they're not selling cars to Japan....
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