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Old 03-06-2013, 23:11   #1
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G21 vs. 1911

So I took my beloved 21sf by to the range yesterday to run a few rounds down range because I couldn't remember the last time I had shot it. While buying my targets the guy running the register tells me I wasted my money and should have picked up a 1911 instead. Prior to his statement I had noticed a springfield 1911 on his hip, not a bad gun from what I have read but in my opinion, hardly a notable 1911. Just as you guessed this started a fairly lengthily debate on what a 45 should be. Although I only own one 1911, a kimber tactical II, I also own a 21sf and a USP45. When it comes down to reliability and mag compacity I would pick either over the kimber. I guess what I am getting at is while the 1911s are very attractive, are they still comparable to the polymer 45s available today?

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Old 03-06-2013, 23:37   #2
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I like both. I have A G21, G36, HK USP45, HK USP 45 Compact, Kimber Custom II, Kimber TLE/RL II, Kimber Ultra CDP II and Les Baer TRS. I don't see it as an either/or choice.
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Old 03-06-2013, 23:44   #3
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There is always going to be that argument with some. "My____________ is better than your _________."

But, a debate can be fun.
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Old 03-07-2013, 03:33   #4
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Apples and oranges. 1911s can be very reliable. My S&W E series 1911 hasn't had one malfunction since I've owned it.
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Old 03-07-2013, 03:37   #5
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Yes, the guy at the gun store (always a reliable source of information) is right; you wasted your money. You should have gotten a heavier, more complex gun, obviously!

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Old 03-07-2013, 05:51   #6
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Is Bac here yet? lol..

I personally don't consider a 1911's as a reliable fighting pistol. Yes, it has a lot of respect and glory for it's service but the time has passed. I do love the looks and the gun itself but over a USP 45, Sig P220, M&P 45, etc it doesn't compare. You're replies will vary.
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Old 03-07-2013, 06:54   #7
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For a year and a half now my E Series 1911 has been as reliable as my P220 or USP and while only a few weeks old my CQB has also functioned fine.
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Old 03-07-2013, 07:02   #8
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Is Bac here yet? lol..

I personally don't consider a 1911's as a reliable fighting pistol. Yes, it has a lot of respect and glory for it's service but the time has passed. I do love the looks and the gun itself but over a USP 45, Sig P220, M&P 45, etc it doesn't compare. You're replies will vary.
I'm here, but don't do these debates anymore.

Buy what you want. My 1911s are extremely reliable and are, by far, my favorite handguns.

I'm not a big fan of 45ACP Glocks.
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Old 03-07-2013, 07:11   #9
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If I were given a choice between a 21 and the Richard Heinie-built 1911 I used to own(long story, don't ask), I would choose that 1911 every single time. I shot thousands of rounds through it, using all bullet types, using magazines from expensive to cheap, GI Issue. It NEVER misfired, FTE or FTF...not once. It was the finest 1911 I've ever owned. The workmanship was impeccable. The only thing a 21 had over it would be the magazine capacity.
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Old 03-07-2013, 07:55   #10
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To the OP, as far as the gun store guy goes, Falcon 78 summed it up quite nicely. I don't consider any Glock or 1911 "a waste of money". Those are two favorite pistol platforms. I own several Glocks, but never bought the G21, simply because my XD45 fits me better and just feels better overall and has the same capcity, plus my 1911's have most of my .45ACP needs filled. Anyone in the market for a high cap .45 could not go wrong with a G21. But to answer you question on reliability, a good 1911, set up right, is as reliable as a Glock/poly. But in a SHTF situation, I'd probably prefer I had a Glock over a 1911, simply due to mag capacity.
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Old 03-07-2013, 08:07   #11
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I've owned a pile of 1911's. I've owned one G-21. It functioned perfectly. It was "combat" accurate. It had high capacity magazines. It had a fat grip. I sold it. I currently own two 1911's. They function perfectly. They are significantly more accurate. They have 8 rd. magazines... and are easy to reload. The grips are not fat. I may buy another 1911... maybe.
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Old 03-07-2013, 08:27   #12
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Comparing the 1911 to a G21 is like comparing a Garand to an AR15. One is nostalgic and rich in history, but compared to modern advances in weapons technology, isn't the best choice for today. With accuracy being negligible, we need to look at other factors such as:
Weight; capacity; ease of use; ease of maintenance. All of these favor the G21. I am a fan of the 1911 (have owned several over the years), but looking at the two objectively, I can't see how the 1911 could, in any way, be called better than a G21.
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There is always going to be that argument with some. "My____________ is better than your _________."

But, a debate can be fun.
Except in this case, he should have challenged him to a shoot-off. Pullin' out your @#$% at the counter can get you arrested.
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Old 03-07-2013, 08:31   #14
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I guess what I am getting at is while the 1911s are very attractive, are they still comparable to the polymer 45s available today?
First, the guy at the range is a rectal orfice. You don't put
down a customers pistol.

Second, I've had about 29 1911's over the years. A few
I built frame up. Every thing from a plain series 80 to
a couple custom shop Special Combat Gevernment's.

I now only own Glock's. I think that answers the question.
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Comparing the 1911 to a G21 is like comparing a Garand to an AR15. One is nostalgic and rich in history, but compared to modern advances in weapons technology, isn't the best choice for today. With accuracy being negligible, we need to look at other factors such as:
Weight; capacity; ease of use; ease of maintenance. All of these favor the G21. I am a fan of the 1911 (have owned several over the years), but looking at the two objectively, I can't see how the 1911 could, in any way, be called better than a G21.
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the guy running the register tells me I wasted my money and should have picked up a 1911 instead.
Regardless of what any of us prefer, this guy is a dolt. That's great that he likes what he chose, but to think every other decision is crap and saying so just ain't too bright.

"I don't see it as an either/or choice" I agree.
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If I was headed into a gunfight and a rifle wasn't available, my G21 would be my first and only choice. I'm carrying a Kimber Custom II as we speak, but for dead-nuts reliability and capacity the 21 gets my vote.
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Old 03-07-2013, 09:50   #18
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It's funny how subjective these things are. My first handgun was a glock. I recently bought a 1911 because, according to the interwebz, I am less of a man without one... I hated, no HATED, it! So I sold it and bought another Glock. For all the blocky, soapbar descriptions of Glocks out there, they feel like they were made using my hands and build as a template.
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Old 03-07-2013, 10:09   #19
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1911's are good looking guns. They are nostalgic pieces of history. They look great and are very dependable. Glocks are business guns. They arent supposed supposed to be pretty. They are simple and dependable. It really is apples to oranges. If you wanna carry around a 1911, carry a 1911. If you wanna carry a glock, carry a glock. I carry what I'm comfortable carrying and what I believe I can defend my family with.
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That depends if I'm going to a barbecue or not.

I truly believe that it is impossible to identify a clear winner of this argument. Each gun has pros and cons. For example, magazine capacity vs. width. I might be able to conceal a 1911 a little better than a G21, but the 21 would be capable of having more rounds at the ready.

Either gun can be exceedingly accurate. Bubba can tune a Glock pretty easily where it takes a bit more skill to tune a 1911, but the 1911 seems to be capable of a higher level of ultimate accuracy.

Have fun and enjoy the debate with the clerk!
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