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Old 03-08-2013, 13:00   #1
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Slide Dropped on Empty chamber

I know this is old discussion however, I am wondering if anybody has ever seen or experienced any issues from doing this to a glock?


I have done it about 10 or 12 times to my gen 3 19. (Dropping the slide on an empty chamber.)

I don't plan on making it habbit, I am just wondering if there is anything to be worried about with my current gun. I will be using it for CCW.
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Old 03-08-2013, 13:05   #2
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Personally I think warnings against dropping the slide on an empty chamber is way overblown. You hear all the time about not doing this on a 1911. I've been shooting 1911s just as long as Glocks and the only time I have ever heard where this could damage a 1911 is on those with ultra light competition triggers.
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Old 03-08-2013, 13:07   #3
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I have done that hundreds of times over the years and it is absolutely harmless. I purchased my oldest Glock new, circa 1991 and it may have had the slide dropped on its empty chamber 500 (??) times. It's no worse off becasue of it.

So, stop worring about it.
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Old 03-08-2013, 13:09   #4
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No. Glock's don't mind that due to the hardness of the Glock slide and barrel. But it should not become a habit because there are guns especially older guns which don't like that.

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Old 03-08-2013, 14:21   #5
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Hmmm...brain not focusing here...sorry...

by "Slide Dropped on Empty chamber" do y'all mean racking/"sling-shotting" the slide without a magazine in the gun?

I didn't realize that was even an issue...
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Old 03-08-2013, 15:10   #6
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Hmmm...brain not focusing here...sorry...

by "Slide Dropped on Empty chamber" do y'all mean racking/"sling-shotting" the slide without a magazine in the gun?

I didn't realize that was even an issue...
Yes, I had the slide racked all the way back and stopped by the slide stop lever. I then pressed down with my thumb on the slide stop and the slide snapped shut. I have done it a 10 to 12 times.
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Old 03-08-2013, 15:12   #7
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Bullet or not. Whats the difference?
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Old 03-08-2013, 15:19   #8
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Bullet or not. Whats the difference?
Some say, the reduction in forward movement caused by the stripping of a bullet from the magazine into the chamber "cushions" the impact.
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Old 03-08-2013, 15:33   #9
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Some say, the reduction in forward movement caused by the stripping of a bullet from the magazine into the chamber "cushions" the impact.
When theres a bullet in the chamber and you squeeze the trigger. There is such a violent reaction that happens in the blink of an eye. That recoil spring goes ALL the way back to maxium compression. It grabs the next bullet and slams it into the chamber again. I hardly think racking the slide with no bullet in there is doing anything different then shooting the gun.
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Old 03-08-2013, 15:39   #10
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Maybe I'm just confused. The only warnings, that I've heard, is to not drop the slide on a loaded chamber. That could chip the extractor.
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Old 03-08-2013, 16:06   #11
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Maybe I'm just confused. The only warnings, that I've heard, is to not drop the slide on a loaded chamber. That could chip the extractor.
Again, I dont see the difference in doing this. Glocks do this naturally when they feed the next bullet from the magazine into the chamber..
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Old 03-08-2013, 16:29   #12
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Again, I dont see the difference in doing this. Glocks do this naturally when they feed the next bullet from the magazine into the chamber..
If the round is already in the chamber when you drop the slide, the extractor has to jump over the rim.
When you load from a magazine, the rim slides into the extractor notch.
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Old 03-08-2013, 16:33   #13
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Yes but...

The slide is slowed considerably by picking up the next round in the magazine, forcing it up the feed ramp and ultimately jamming it in the chamber. Considerably...

Just think about how tight that top round is in a new magazine. It takes a lot of effort for the recoil spring to strip that round and move it to the chamber. And that effort slows the slide.

So, stop doing it! You have two hardened surfaces impacting each other at higher than normal velocity and it just can't be doing anything good. Yes, you can probably get away with it but you can't possibly believe it is a good practice.

BTW, it is fatal to the sear edges on a 1911. The hammer will follow the slide and get stopped on the half-cock notches. These notches will usually destroy the fine surface of the sear and ruin a 1911 trigger job.

There are those (and I'm among them) who won't drop the slide on a 1911 even if the magazine is in place and full. A better practice is to ride the slide with your hand and help the recoil spring jam the round into the chamber. Among other things, you can feel the bullet run up the feed ramp and into the chamber. You KNOW a round is ready to fire - even though the gun will still be press-checked if time allows.

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Old 03-08-2013, 16:38   #14
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#1 way to cause a malfunction: Ride the slide....
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Old 03-08-2013, 16:51   #15
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Not a real issue with a Glock given what it is. Some higher end guns with a trigger job...maybe.

Basically I just don't do it with any semi-auto I own. Not so much because I'm terribly worried about damage, I just don't to avoid needless wear and tear regardless of what platform it is. Granted, that wear and tear might be minimal, but I figure why do it?
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I'm not saying its good practice. But if it happens a few hundred times I dont think its going to hurt it all that much.
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Old 03-08-2013, 17:30   #17
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It is also bashing the slide stop and the locking block. It isn't just the barrel and slide that are taking an unneeded pounding.

Besides, I can absolutely, unconditionally, guarantee that not dropping the slide won't hurt the gun.

Any of the slide dropping proponents want to offer a money back guarantee to their approach? Here's the deal: If a user drops the slide up to 500 times based on your recommendation and the gun is damaged in any way, you agree to replace it with a brand new gun.

Any takers? Hey, it's your advice people are following!

I will certainly take the opposing bet that if the user doesn't drop the slide at all, there will be no damage from dropping the slide.

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Old 03-08-2013, 17:35   #18
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By all means, its your gun, not mine. If you want to rack the slide and use it as a hammer, then by all means go for it. Just remember its not a Hi-Point, it doesnt have a lifetime warranty.

I'm just saying its probably not going to hurt it as much as you think to rack the slide every once in a while. If you are worried about it, dont do it.
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Old 03-08-2013, 19:19   #19
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I'm just saying its probably not going to hurt it as much as you think to rack the slide every once in a while. If you are worried about it, dont do it.
That's a good perspective. I don't let it occur very often, but if it does, it's simply not a big deal. Keep 'em loaded and there's nothing to worry about.
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Old 03-08-2013, 19:21   #20
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Old 03-08-2013, 21:45   #21
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This is the first I've ever heard it (the empty chamber part).

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Old 03-09-2013, 08:43   #22
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Again, I dont see the difference in doing this. Glocks do this naturally when they feed the next bullet from the magazine into the chamber..
No, it doesn't.

When the slide moves forward, it starts to push the round in the magazine forward. As the round moves forward and up, the base of it starts sliding up the breechface and under the extractor. The slide goes fully into battery, and you are ready to fire.

When you drop the slide on the loaded chamber, the extractor has to hit the rim of the case, and then pop out and over the rim. You can damage the rim of the case, as well as the extractor that way.
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Old 03-09-2013, 10:24   #23
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Done what the OP posted many hundreds if not a thousand times in the past 22 years on my G21 I bought new. Just had Glock do a once over and the armorer said it is in very fine condition (and it certainly looks and feels so). Also had another guy who has valued weapons for a major gun shop for years give it a 90th percentile for resale.

No idea on other weapons but it certainly doesn't do a thing to a Glock.
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Old 03-09-2013, 12:37   #24
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In Glock's IW (Instructor Workshop) you are taught to remove the ammuntion source and rack the slide 3x to ensure a weapon is clear. The slide is then locked to the rear, and the weapon visually and physically inspected. That's 3 "dropping the slide on an empty chamber" incidents per gun clearing. All over the country, Glock-trained LEO's are doing this - for years on end with the same service weapon - with no ill effects noted. Many of these service weapons survive to be re-sold in the "Factory Rebuild" program, or through distributors.

Dropping the slide on an empty chamber is part of "Glock-Fu". Embrace it. You will not harm your weapon in the slightest.

It's fun to watch gun store employees cringe when a LEO who only knows Glocks is handed a high-end 1911, and the first thing he does is rack the slide three times to ensure it's clear. Many gun shops near me won't let customers (many of whom are cops, and are almost exclusively Glock-armed) routinely handle the high-end 1911's on display for that reason. I can't say I blame them. I'm also not sure I'd want to pay $$$$ for a gun that had to be so carefully handled. My opinion; no disrespect meant to those whose taste in guns is finer than mine.
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Old 03-09-2013, 12:38   #25
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I grew up shooting 1911's and was taught to not let the slide slam without a loaded mag inserted. As a matter of habit, I don't do it on any pistol.

On the other hand, you never want to "ride" the slide down when chambering a round. Let it slam home just like it would when firing.

Also, I only chamber a round from the mag, never by inserting it directly into the chamber.

Right? Wrong? Heck I don't know, but I've been doing it this way all my life, no need to change now!
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