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Old 04-04-2013, 10:12   #26
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Keep the 1911 --

Buy a couple 10 round mags from Tripp Research to carry as spare mags.



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Old 04-04-2013, 10:26   #27
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Might look at the Sig 2022 as well... Smooth DA/SA trigger, replaceable back straps, and a short reach trigger, huge ergonomic controls. They run $425 ish as well because they are polymer framed... Awesome value...
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Old 04-04-2013, 10:31   #28
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If she can choose whatever she wants, and is happy with the 1911, don't overlook the STI Tactical.

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Old 04-04-2013, 10:33   #29
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Might look at the Sig 2022 as well... Smooth DA/SA trigger, replaceable back straps, and a short reach trigger, huge ergonomic controls. They run $425 ish as well because they are polymer framed... Awesome value...
I didn't even know about the sig 2022. The Sigs were not really an option because of the $1000 price we see around gun shops here but 4-500 isn't bad at all.
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Old 04-04-2013, 10:33   #30
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If small hands are an issue then I would go with a XDM in 40cal. with the smallest backstrap installed. Glock has never been considered a small grip, even on the gen4's. The XDM with the smallest backstrap has the smallest grip of any full size duty style weapon I have ever held. Well, the Browning HI power has the smallest grip but BHP's are hard to come by.
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Old 04-04-2013, 11:02   #31
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If she wants a Glock, try the G21 gen4-it's a fantastic gun-I wish we would trasition to it. Plus, 13+1 rounds with 2 spare mags on the belt is a lot of big BBs. Mine is a tackdriver. The G30 gen4 compliments it in a smaller package. That may be a better option if she's tiny. 10+1 plus 2 mags is better than the 1911 that she's carrying.

Also try the G19 gen4. I think the G19 is the best gun Glock has going right now. 46 rounds on a duty belt with a fully loaded G19 is a good thing if backup is miles away. Don't knock the 9mm, it works with the right carry ammo. Get the Speer Gold Dot 124 grain +P HP and you're good to go. It's the NYPD round and it seems to work well. I'd trasition back to a G19 in a heartbeat.

Non Glock options are the M&P45 and 45c. They are great guns. She seems stuck on .45acp, so all of her .45 options will be larger than the 9/40 package.

The G30 is chunky compared to the G20SF. The G20SF is a big gun. Why the choice between those 2?
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Old 04-04-2013, 11:08   #32
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If she wants a Glock, try the G21 gen4-it's a fantastic gun-I wish we would trasition to it. Plus, 13+1 rounds with 2 spare mags on the belt is a lot of big BBs. Mine is a tackdriver. The G30 gen4 compliments it in a smaller package. That may be a better option if she's tiny. 10+1 plus 2 mags is better than the 1911 that she's carrying.

Also try the G19 gen4. I think the G19 is the best gun Glock has going right now. 46 rounds on a duty belt with a fully loaded G19 is a good thing if backup is miles away. Don't knock the 9mm, it works with the right carry ammo. Get the Speer Gold Dot 124 grain +P HP and you're good to go. It's the NYPD round and it seems to work well. I'd trasition back to a G19 in a heartbeat.

Non Glock options are the M&P45 and 45c. They are great guns. She seems stuck on .45acp, so all of her .45 options will be larger than the 9/40 package.

The G30 is chunky compared to the G20SF. The G20SF is a big gun. Why the choice between those 2?
She just doesn't like the idea of 9mm, I think her mindset is if I can carry a bigger caliber and be accurate with it and operate it correctly why not? I carry a g27 for my ccw and she shot it and didn't mind it but she likes her .45's. She's a woman too she gets what she wants haha it's hard to change her mind. I told her I carried a 9mm in the military and it was fine but to be honest I wished I had a .45 at times so I can see where she's coming from.
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Old 04-04-2013, 11:09   #33
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I am a little confused about why, if the limiting factor is apparently her small hand size, her first two choices are two of the fattest Glocks made.
It took 6 post for someone to bring this up. Glock 30/29/21/20's are huge.
Truthfully as far as 45's a 1911 is about the best for small hands. If you want a 45 M&P 45's are the cream of the crop for M&P's. FN's, especially the .45's are very underrated.
A Sig 220 is about my favorite 45 and favorite Sig.
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Old 04-04-2013, 11:26   #34
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This is the reason why I posted this thread because we don't have any ranges where we can rent guns to shoot so when we travel to go to a range I want to make sure we have a good idea of what she should test out first and not waste time on certain pistols that she probably won't like. I didn't even think about the m&p or the fn till this thread.
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Old 04-04-2013, 11:26   #35
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...If she likes 45 and must have a Glock get a 21SF...
This would also be my suggestion.
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Old 04-04-2013, 11:28   #36
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Let's talk about something else. Why not carry three extra mags with the new Safariland pouches that turn them out. This way three mags takes up the same space as two. Understand magazines fail, get dropped, get damaged, and everything else. I like the idea of having more than enough magazines for malfunction clearing or if I drop one to. It have to bend over to pick it up. Another option is to carry one or two magazines attached to your second chance vest under your shirt.
I only mention this because it is the gun she already has and shoots well. Not much new to learn but where an extra mag may be. Is she carrying a BUG? If not a Springfield XDS would add some extra rounds to her layout.
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Old 04-04-2013, 11:36   #37
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I know some officers at agencies carrying all sorts of 45's.
The guys with Sig 220's love them so much but your not really gaining capacity.
The guys with M&P45's like them a lot more than they thought they would have.
The guys with Glock 21's seem to like them alright.
The guys with Springfield XD 45's don't mind but I think they would like something different.
Guys that are 1911 snobs that are allowed to carry 1911's obviously love them. I don't know anyone forced to carry a 1911.
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Old 04-04-2013, 11:40   #38
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No BUG at this time but that could be a good option, I can't believe we haven't thought of any of this stuff. She has a safariland 2 mag pouch that they are turned out on I didn't know they made a three mag pouch.
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Old 04-04-2013, 12:08   #39
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No BUG at this time but that could be a good option, I can't believe we haven't thought of any of this stuff. She has a safariland 2 mag pouch that they are turned out on I didn't know they made a three mag pouch.
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She needs a BUG, especially without backup around.
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Old 04-04-2013, 12:14   #40
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Get to a range that has guns for rent. Try the gen4 G21/G30 combo and the M&P45/45c combo. Pick one set if she's stuck on .45 and buy them. Both are great choices.

And while you're there, try the gen4 G19/26 combo. 9mm hurts, it hurts bad and you can carry a ton of spare ammo. Since she works in a secluded area, away from backup, when the SHTF, more is better. I don't know anyone who'd rather be shot with a 9mm than a .45, both work well.

How about an AR M4 for the patrol car?
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Old 04-04-2013, 12:27   #41
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Get to a range that has guns for rent. Try the gen4 G21/G30 combo and the M&P45/45c combo. Pick one set if she's stuck on .45 and buy them. Both are great choices.

And while you're there, try the gen4 G19/26 combo. 9mm hurts, it hurts bad and you can carry a ton of spare ammo. Since she works in a secluded area, away from backup, when the SHTF, more is better. I don't know anyone who'd rather be shot with a 9mm than a .45, both work well.

How about an AR M4 for the patrol car?
May be a dumb question but the m&p 45c can accept the regular 45 mag correct?
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Old 04-04-2013, 12:32   #42
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Old 04-04-2013, 13:04   #43
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I carried the G21SF for years and would go with the Gen4 G21 now with the multiple backstraps. But I also carried a G23. She has many choices out there. These would be my two favorite.
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Old 04-04-2013, 14:23   #44
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An M&P 45C as a carry with a couple full size mags would be a good set up. It is just slightly bigger than a G19 but not by much.

People complain of the trigger but mine feels fine. From box to range, I qualified with it and pulled one out. the one out was user error.

That said, I still like the idea of carrying extra mags for the Kimber you already have.
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Old 04-04-2013, 14:34   #45
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She currently has 22 rnds on her with her 2 extra mags 7+1 in the pistol the two 7 end mags the 8 round mags we found out wont fit in the mag pouch she bought so she has a couple 8 rounders in the car. I'd feel a lot better when I'm sitting at home listening to the scanner when she's at work if I knew she had 40+ rounds on her. 22 rounds just seems like such a small amount when I carried 240 rounds on me in Iraq but those are two totally different circumstances. The peace of mind for me would be better even tho I'm just the one sitting on the couch.
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Old 04-04-2013, 14:54   #46
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Deanna, a GT member, is a small girl with small hands.
She loves her full size HK45 (10+1).
I've got small hands too, girl sized actually, and the gun fits me like a glove.
Very soft shooting for a 45 too.
It's big, but if it's going to be used as a duty pistol who cares?

I think If she rented one? That would be it.
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Old 04-04-2013, 14:54   #47
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Personally I think 1911's do not make great duty weapons, but since she is comfortable and found one that works I'd be inclined to keep it. Not to mention buying new holsters and mag pouches is an added cost. A BUG would fix the ammo count and the I want a new gun itch. Truthfully, 22 rounds is probably enough to be on the defense with, but going on the offense I would want more. I know a lot of cops that would prefer not to go into a offensive attack with a handgun anyway. As far as getting a BUG of the same caliber is up to her. I tried the baby Glock BUG carry and thought it was too much. I currently carry a jframe S&W because I love them but there are better BUG's. I know a guy carrying a G22 with two LCP's as buck up. I have honestly been intrigued by this idea.
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She currently has 22 rnds on her with her 2 extra mags 7+1 in the pistol the two 7 end mags the 8 round mags we found out wont fit in the mag pouch she bought so she has a couple 8 rounders in the car. I'd feel a lot better when I'm sitting at home listening to the scanner when she's at work if I knew she had 40+ rounds on her. 22 rounds just seems like such a small amount when I carried 240 rounds on me in Iraq but those are two totally different circumstances. The peace of mind for me would be better even tho I'm just the one sitting on the couch.
My P30 40 Light LEM (13+1) was designed as a LE duty gun.
On a belt? Why not go for a long slide?
Same batman ergo grips as the HK45 except smaller.
Triple side and back grip panels for a perfect fit.
The P30 mags work in P2000 & P2000SK guns as backup too.
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Old 04-04-2013, 16:36   #49
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Get a G37. Same frame as a 17 or 22, but with .45 ballistics. She can even get the interchangeable backstraps with the 37, which is out in gen 4. I personally like the G38, but they haven't started making them in gen 4 yet.


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She isn't going to be using a pistol to kill a deer hit by a car, ...
Never say never... a good pistol round transecting the brain is sufficient.
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