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Old 04-04-2013, 17:38   #51
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Never say never... a good pistol round transecting the brain is sufficient.
She has used her 1911 to off a deer hit by a car. So yes it does happen haha I have also used my sr40 to finish off a deer I hit that wasn't dead yet.
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Old 04-04-2013, 17:52   #52
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So my girlfriend is a police officer and currently carries a kimber 1911 as her duty weapon. She has small hands and due to this chose the 1911 because of the thinner profile grip. She wants a higher cap handgun preferably a glock and we have been looking for one that will fit her and hold up to the conditions she works in. She has came down to the g30 or the g20sf and can't decide. I know everyone is going to say whatever she can shoot better and that is going to be the deciding factor I just want opinions on the 10mm for law enforcement. She shoots the 1911 .45 well I'm sure will have no problems with the g30. The 10mm on the other hand has a higher cap but greater recoil, muzzle blast etc. Any advice/ opinions would be appreciated.
Yeah I would want a larger cap gun as well and a more reliable gun then a 1911 not to mention the weight difference. I would look into the G30SF, G30S or a Gen 4 G21 or G22. If her department will let her carry a pistol in 10mm (which many departments want their officers to all carry the same caliber pistol) then a Gen 3 G20SF or a Gen 4 G20. Kepp in mind that the Gen 4 with no back strap is a smaller grip them even the SF frames. Then there is always one the most common LE pistols calibers .40SW, either a Gen 4 G22 or G23. All IMO would be great choices

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Old 04-04-2013, 18:46   #53
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G21 & G30 are very soft shooters. The G21 would be my pick. Gen4.
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Old 04-04-2013, 19:32   #54
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Have her try the Smith and Wesson M&P 45 I did not think I would like it I have huge hands and it fits well my wife loves it with the small backstrap. It is more comfortable to shoot than a Glock 21.

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She just need to try them. I have smaller hands and I have 1911s, M&P45 and Gen 3 G21sf. I find the perceived recoil less with the G21sf and shoot it the best. It is just something each has to try as you can't generalize as to what she will experience. All three are winners.
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Old 04-04-2013, 21:44   #55
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Glock 23 would be a fine choice.
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Old 04-05-2013, 08:31   #56
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If she likes the 1911 why not just pick up a Safariland 227 mag holder?

http://www.safariland.com/DutyGear/product.aspx?pid=277

She can carry four 8 round mags on her belt and the holder takes up the same amount of space as carrying two double stack Glock mags. She'd be keeping the .45 and a gun she's familiar with and she'd have plenty of ammo on her person. The .45 and 10mm Glocks are blocky...I can't imagine someone with small hands liking them.
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Old 04-05-2013, 09:43   #57
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So my girlfriend is a police officer and currently carries a kimber 1911 as her duty weapon. She has small hands and due to this chose the 1911 because of the thinner profile grip. She wants a higher cap handgun preferably a glock and we have been looking for one that will fit her and hold up to the conditions she works in. She has came down to the g30 or the g20sf and can't decide. I know everyone is going to say whatever she can shoot better and that is going to be the deciding factor I just want opinions on the 10mm for law enforcement. She shoots the 1911 .45 well I'm sure will have no problems with the g30. The 10mm on the other hand has a higher cap but greater recoil, muzzle blast etc. Any advice/ opinions would be appreciated.
What's approved at her agency? I know we aren't allowed to carry 10mm or .357 sig on duty or off. The 30/21 has the biggest grip Glock offers, thought she wanted a smaller grip? Any other Glock besides .45/10mm will have the same, smaller grip. For duty, the 17 is hard to beat.


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Old 04-05-2013, 09:54   #58
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Old 04-05-2013, 11:07   #59
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I have carried in 1911 in a law enforcement capacity for many years I continue to carry one as my primary off duty.

For most people the 1911 is not a very good duty weapon the ability to perform the required routine maintenance and cleaning is beyond the grasp of some shooters.

I am NOT saying your girlfriend falls into this category I'm saying it's not as forgiving with lack of maintenance as other types of weapons. I don't base this on reading things I base it on my 30 plus years as a cop and 27 of that being a firearms instructor. For an avid shooter a well put together 1911 is a great tool however it does not work for everyone.

My best horror story is a South Florida cop who had a magazine rusted into his weapon that's correct his beloved Gold Cup had not come out of the holster in 2 qualification cycles and his blued magazine rusted into the mag well. He was able to fire 8 shots and then not reload..

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Old 04-05-2013, 11:47   #60
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She is allowed to carry pretty much anything but a revolver, her chief carries a sig .357 and some others .40's and a person who carries a 9mm it's a very small dept.. On the maintenance aspect of the 1911 we both are religious about our guns she'll field strip hers every week and check everything and make sure it's lubed and clean, and every couple of days in the winter when she's out in the snow and it gets wet.
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Old 04-05-2013, 13:08   #61
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If she has a choice, a 4th Gen Glock 37 .45 GAP.

Small grip diameter, 10+1 capacity of .45 caliber round. Very reliable, as a former officer - if I was to go back in uniform tomorrow and given a choice of duty gun - the Glock 37 would be at the top of my list for possible guns.

I have smaller hands and this combo is pretty hard to beat.

Good luck to her with her choice.
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Old 04-05-2013, 18:33   #62
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G23 if the agency allows it or the G21SF
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Old 04-05-2013, 19:41   #63
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She is allowed to carry pretty much anything but a revolver, her chief carries a sig .357 and some others .40's and a person who carries a 9mm it's a very small dept.. On the maintenance aspect of the 1911 we both are religious about our guns she'll field strip hers every week and check everything and make sure it's lubed and clean, and every couple of days in the winter when she's out in the snow and it gets wet.
If she can carry 9mm, there's no reason not to. Glock 17 gen 4 feels like a .22


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Old 04-05-2013, 21:48   #64
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I think going to a range and trying out a variety of guns and calibers would be time and money well spent.
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Old 04-05-2013, 23:22   #65
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GEN 4's.
Our agency always issued small statured officers with small hands G19's in the late '80's and early 90's. G23's up to 2006. from 2006 on it was either G23's or G38's and some G30SF's. Now with the GEN 4's. Choice of G23G4, G30G4, G37G4, and G21G4, the .45 cal. pistols being issue pistols. Other Glocks are authorized for carry.

The G21G4 is really liked now by the smaller framed (hands) officers. I would recommend any GEN 4 for her!!!!
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Old 04-06-2013, 11:31   #66
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If she likes the 1911 have her look at a sti 2011. The grip is roighly 1911 size and people like freedom gun works can do a grip reduction and stipple fo like 50 bucks and that gun will shoot like she is use to with a lot more ammo.
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The G23 would be a great choice for duty, that's what I carry, the 23 with G22 mags on my belt.

Sounds like the Dept. she works for needs to get it together. It is always a good idea for all officers to carry the same caliber and make of duty weapon. Never know when something terrible will happen. She may need to rely on another officer for a magazine or ammunition one day. With everyone having a different caliber and model of duty weapon, this could be the difference between life and death.
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The same token against that is shoot what your more comfortable with and if the other officer wasted every round they had why would you give them more to waste
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Old 04-06-2013, 13:14   #69
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Go for a G17 or G19, or even the G22/23.
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Old 04-06-2013, 19:54   #70
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I have carried, as has every officer in my department, a Glock 17 or 19 with Federal +P+ Hydrashoks since 1990 or 1991. You have capacity and power in an easy to maintain, easy to operate weapon.

I like 1911's a lot but I couldn't be bothered with one for duty use. Not like I have a choice, but if the administration said we could transition I doubt with all of the time I have with a Glock, I would.

One of the above posters said that he believed that any officer carrying a 1911 did so by choice. I have met an officer carrying one simply because it is the issued gun. Kimber. I asked if he liked it. He said he wasn't a gun guy but it is ok. I asked him if it jammed. He said sometimes. Obviously, I don't know how he maintained it. The only time I have had a Glock jam was when I induced it for qualification.

A Glock 19 or 17 especially the GEN4 will protect her fine. The price is right also.

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The G23 would be a great choice for duty, that's what I carry, the 23 with G22 mags on my belt.

Sounds like the Dept. she works for needs to get it together. It is always a good idea for all officers to carry the same caliber and make of duty weapon. Never know when something terrible will happen. She may need to rely on another officer for a magazine or ammunition one day. With everyone having a different caliber and model of duty weapon, this could be the difference between life and death.
Many departments let officers carry whatever caliber they're comfortable with. The odds of sharing mags is almost unheard of. Only instance I can think of is north Hollywood, not sure if they even shared on that. If I go through all 70 rds on my belt and can't get to my rifle it's a very bad day


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Old 04-06-2013, 21:38   #72
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G23 Gen4, less backstrap than the Gen 3's, probably be good for smaller hands.
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Old 04-06-2013, 23:29   #73
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The whole sharing ammo in the field is so over thought. If the agency buys practice ammo I could see that being a factor to keep everyone in the same caliber.
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I skimmed through all the posts and didn't see an XDm mentioned. I don't own one, but my sgt owns both M&P and XD and likes them with small hands. My sister has small hands (doesn't even fit my Gen4 G23 very well), and I'm recommending one of these to her. From my exp, the grip isn't much larger between the 40 & 45's on these models either...

If she can comfortably enjoy shooting a G20 or G21, I'm not quite sure her hands would qualify as 'small.'
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The whole sharing ammo in the field is so over thought.
Agreed. Plus I joke with the guys that if there's a reason I'm into my 2nd mag, I for sure am not giving away my 3rd!
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