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Old 04-10-2013, 18:47   #1
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Tempted by a G20SF... Thoughts?

LGS has a new Gen 3 20SF (UUV prefix, I believe) in stock for 575 otd.

Figuring in tax, it comes out to what amounts to 538.65 + tax.

Factors:

1. White label (Glock part # PF2050101 - 10 round mags). Bummer, because I live in a free state.

2. Already own a beautifully set up G29SF w/NS. I also have a ported, extended LW barrel (around 4.8" I believe). With 15 round mags and A&G extensions, for all practical purposes, it pretty much is a shortened G20SF.

3. Also own a Gen4 G21. Buy a conversion barrel, and I am pretty much set (for the range anyway).

Why do I want a G20SF?

1. The G29SF is great for carry, but my Gen4 G21 fits my hand like a glove. Sure, I could drop in a conversion barrel, but that would be a range-only setup (I don't carry conversions for defense).

2. Extra velocity.

3. Full sized grip.

4. I don't particularly wish to buy a used G20, as you never know what sort of handloads someone has been running through it. Maybe I'm just being paranoid, but I do believe this is a very real concern with a 10mm.

The only real bummer is the 10 round mags. I have regular capacity mags for it, but buying any 15-round Glock with 10-rounders is kinda... blah.

I haven't bought a new Glock in quite some time. Is 575 otd a decent price for the large frame Glocks?

I do see them listed elsewhere online, but usually not in stock, and if you figure in shipping, FFL ($20), etc, it's typically pretty close.

And with all factors considered, is my money better spent elsewhere? Like, for instance, Underwood ammo?

Pretty torn on this one... Thoughts?
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Old 04-10-2013, 18:50   #2
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Buy it!! And hurry!! Or you really wont have a choice if u want it or not! I love my G20sf its just a bad ass pistola!! I would recommend adding it to the collection!
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Old 04-10-2013, 19:11   #3
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I concur... Get it and regular mags will eventually come your way.
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Old 04-10-2013, 19:14   #4
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Price aside I carry my 20sf daily. I also have a g4 21 and just picked up a g4 20.

So, compare the feel to your g421....if it were me I'd pass and get a gen4 as I much prefer the grip.
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Old 04-10-2013, 19:15   #5
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Listen to the voices. I can't find a G29SF anywhere. But I'm still looking.
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Old 04-10-2013, 19:19   #6
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I am actively looking for one. Therefore I am on the buy it team.

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Old 04-11-2013, 06:27   #7
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If you really like the way your Gen4 G-21 feels in your hand, hold off and get a Gen4 G-20.

While the Gen3 SF is better than the std. frame, the Gen4 feels better to me.

Take your (empty) Gen4 G-21 into the shop and hold them both and see if one is better for you.

I'm on the same road going in the other direction - I just picked up a Gen4 G-20, and now want a Gen4 G-21.

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Old 04-11-2013, 09:27   #8
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If you really like the way your Gen4 G-21 feels in your hand, hold off and get a Gen4 G-20.

Take your (empty) Gen4 G-21 into the shop and hold them both and see if one is better for you.
Both excellent points.

Will check them out side by side. As tempted as I am, I may do exactly as you suggested, and hold out for the Gen4.

Whichever I pick up, pictures will be posted, lol.

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Old 04-11-2013, 12:35   #10
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don't be trying to justify it on a forum, go out and get it so you can have bragging rights instead.

I took the plunge late last summer after years of shooting the 10 in another platform. I really like the SF. It is bulkier in the grip, obviously, than my G-22 but somehow not in a negative way.

They aren't hardly going to get much cheaper than that price. Better to say "I'm glad I did" than to say "I wish I had"
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Old 04-11-2013, 12:38   #11
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Old 04-11-2013, 13:45   #12
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Did ya buy it yet? If not where is this LGS of which you speak. I may just buy it myself.
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Old 04-12-2013, 13:39   #13
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My Glock 20SF is my favorite Glock. Made the way a 10mm should be made, like a tank.
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Old 04-12-2013, 16:14   #14
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I really like my G20.
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Old 04-12-2013, 17:00   #15
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What are you waiting for buy it.
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Old 04-12-2013, 17:18   #16
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My G20 SF is one of my favorite guns. 10mm is a surprisingly accurate cartridge, and the large frame Glocks soak up a lot of recoil.
I imagine if you buy it, you'll really like it.

On the down side, if you buy one, there is a strong possibility that you'll start looking for a G29.

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Old 04-12-2013, 18:10   #17
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My G20 SF is one of my favorite guns. 10mm is a surprisingly accurate cartridge, and the large frame Glocks soak up a lot of recoil.
I imagine if you buy it, you'll really like it.

On the down side, if you buy one, there is a strong possibility that you'll start looking for a G29.
Actually, he said he already owns a G29.
I was forced to make a quick decision between the G20SF and the G29SF. I went with the G20 and now wish I had a 29 also. I wish I had bought both when I had the chance last year. Now I'm having a hard time finding a G29SF.
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Old 04-12-2013, 19:32   #18
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Curious, how much smaller is the grip than a Gen 3 G20?
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Old 04-12-2013, 21:21   #19
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Get it, Pick up some regular mags & sell the castrated mags to me (Cheap because you don't really want them).
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Old 04-12-2013, 22:03   #20
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don't be trying to justify it on a forum, go out and get it so you can have bragging rights instead.
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Curious, how much smaller is the grip than a Gen 3 G20?
3mm on the backstrap, makes a huge difference for me.
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Old 04-13-2013, 09:02   #22
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If you really like the way your Gen4 G-21 feels in your hand, hold off and get a Gen4 G-20.

While the Gen3 SF is better than the std. frame, the Gen4 feels better to me.

Take your (empty) Gen4 G-21 into the shop and hold them both and see if one is better for you.
Well, took Messer's advice - took in my Gen4 G21, compared them in my hand side by side, and given the fact that my G29SF is set up as it is, as well as how much I like the feel of my Gen4 G21 - I do believe I'm going to be holding off for the Gen4 G20.

Until then, the 29SF will suffice for carry, and a conversion barrel and the Gen4 21 will do for range time I suppose.

On the other side of things, regarding 'justifying on a forum' and bragging rights: Bragging rights just don't mean all that much to me these days, and the only person I have to justify myself to is the little lady.

In all seriousness though, thanks for all the sound advice (...the voices still say 'Buy it! Buy it!', lol). I just wasn't sure how much sense it made in light of owning what I already own... then again how many of us have ever really needed more convincing to buy another 10mm?

One thing I do know. I do need a G20 - no doubt about it. Just looks as though I will be waiting until he can find a Gen4.

Sooo... It looks as if the Gen4 has won out - for now. I can be patient until he can find one for me... I think.

If not, I know where the pics will be posted first.
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Sooo... It looks as if the Gen4 has won out - for now. I can be patient until he can find one for me... I think.
That is a wise choice. The longer service life of the dual-spring RSA in the Gen4 G20, with less wear and tear on the frame as a bonus, and improved control with the Gen4 grip texture are both worthwhile improvements for 10mm shooting.

I'm curious why you won't rely on an aftermarket barrel for carry. Is it a matter of hardware reliability, or do you see it as a liability in the event the pistol is used in a SD shooting that ends up in court? I can understand either reason.
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Old 04-13-2013, 10:50   #24
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I'm curious why you won't rely on an aftermarket barrel for carry. Is it a matter of hardware reliability, or do you see it as a liability in the event the pistol is used in a SD shooting that ends up in court? I can understand either reason.
Reliability. I have a lone wolf 40 to 9 conversion barrel - thousands and thousands of rounds downrange... never an issue.

But knowing my luck, if a conversion barrel is going to initiate a show-stopper, it will be when I need it most. Murphy's Law, and all that.

I know it may seem strange to some folks, but the way I figure it is: If I want to carry a given caliber, I will buy a factory gun in that caliber. After appropriate testing with my carry load, into the holster it goes... but something about carrying a firearm for SD in a caliber it was not originally chambered in... in my mind, just not worth it for SD.

For the range? All day, every day. Twice on Sundays even. But for SD, no conversions for me.

Guns are cheap. The lives of those I care about are irreplaceable.
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Well, took Messer's advice - took in my Gen4 G21, compared them in my hand side by side, and given the fact that my G29SF is set up as it is, as well as how much I like the feel of my Gen4 G21 - I do believe I'm going to be holding off for the Gen4 G20.

Until then, the 29SF will suffice for carry, and a conversion barrel and the Gen4 21 will do for range time I suppose.

On the other side of things, regarding 'justifying on a forum' and bragging rights: Bragging rights just don't mean all that much to me these days, and the only person I have to justify myself to is the little lady.

In all seriousness though, thanks for all the sound advice (...the voices still say 'Buy it! Buy it!', lol). I just wasn't sure how much sense it made in light of owning what I already own... then again how many of us have ever really needed more convincing to buy another 10mm?

One thing I do know. I do need a G20 - no doubt about it. Just looks as though I will be waiting until he can find a Gen4.

Sooo... It looks as if the Gen4 has won out - for now. I can be patient until he can find one for me... I think.

If not, I know where the pics will be posted first.
Why do you NEED a G20? I ask b/c I'm curious if it fits ur purpose, is all. Not the usual and stale 'why do we really need anything' argument.
My first 10mm is my G20FS. Hands down my favorite Glock. I tried to use it as a CCW but to big in FL. Went down to local mil/LEO shop and got a G29SF for CCW. MUUCH NICER! I put mag extensions b/c I like the grip and a KKM std bbl for underwood ammo. Stock bbl maims too many of my precious cases for my liking... YMMV.
I honestly think the G20 is the most versatile and accurate 10mm HG's ul ever find.
Buy it, shoot it, sell it if you still want to and buy the G20 Gen4. You'll unload it fast if need be... But it would make a nice 'transformer' conversion range pistol!
Either way, enjoy. You have a nice problem to work out!
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