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Old 04-15-2013, 09:50   #1
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FL Cop fired for target choice

I feel I'm one of the most pro-cop guys (who's not a cop) that I know. I've even gotten into family fights because I'm usually defending cops over videos that make it to YouTube and such (my sister once got pissy with me, saying "the cops aren't always right, ya know!").

But even with that in mind, this guy really deserved to get canned, I think.

Florida police officer fired for bringing targets resembling Trayvon Martin to a gun range

For any that haven't seen the story, this is the target:

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In case you can't tell, it's a hoodie-wearing figure with a can of tea in one hand and a pack of Skittles in the pocket.

Now, regardless of what you feel about this case, the problem is crappy judgement. The targets may have been amusing, but what kind of voice in your head tells you that you, as a police officer, should bring something like this to a shooting range and expect no one to say something. To me, this isn't about the target itself, it's about the lack of common-sense and good judgement displayed by the cop in question

Now he's got a YouTube video saying he was using the target as a "No-Shoot" training tool.....





...honestly, I think there's only one tool involved.
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Old 04-15-2013, 10:06   #2
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It certainly doesn't make for good press, but it appears to only be in the press because the department fired him. Seems to me that it would be worth a letter, maybe. If there wasn't a bullseye on the chest, or specific references to the Martin shooting, maybe he could sell it as a "no-shoot" target, but it certainly does not look that way. Either way, I don't see it as rising to the level of termination absent a history of documented disciplinary issues.
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Things are not always what they appear to be:


And, even it were the truth, he would be in good (?) company:

http://communities.washingtontimes.c...ng-children-p/
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Old 04-15-2013, 10:16   #4
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It certainly doesn't make for good press, but it appears to only be in the press because the department fired him. Seems to me that it would be worth a letter, maybe. If there wasn't a bullseye on the chest, or specific references to the Martin shooting, maybe he could sell it as a "no-shoot" target, but it certainly does not look that way. Either way, I don't see it as rising to the level of termination absent a history of documented disciplinary issues.
I think my issue isn't the target itself. I don't care about a sheet of paper, frankly. It might be in bad taste, but that's always going to be subjective.

But bringing them out to a publicly-accessible range, while in police vehicle and on duty (he was an instructor).

Here's an earlier article:
http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/13/us/flo...ets/index.html
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Sgt. Ron King of Port Canaveral Police Department was fired Friday after an internal review investigated how he offered the hoodie paper shooting targets to two fellow officers
So, again (in my opinion), it's not the target itself, it's the complete lack of common sense that I see as the problem.

And, yes, bad press is certainly a factor, too. But that's the same as any company, I think: You do something to draw negative attention, then you become a liability to that employer.
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Politicially correct, probably not. Deserving termination, probably not. If he had a resemblance of Chuck Heston holding a rifle overhead, with a target on his chest, no one would have ever known.
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What a joke we've become to fire a cop for this. Anyone can interpret the target as they like. We switched to green targets because the black ones were racist.

So lil Treyvon is the only one that wears hoodies and drinks canned tea?
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I'm only ok with it if people would support the idea of a clerk in the video store or a mid level manager at a computer company should be fired for the same. It's getting a bit ridiculous that cops are consistently in the news and held to a standard that is significantly higher standard than Joe Blow..
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... But bringing them out to a publicly-accessible range, ...
It was a private police range, with only three other people present.
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Old 04-15-2013, 11:24   #9
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Those targets are Big Sis approved Lon Horiuchi specials.

Those are OK.
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My only question is...where did he get them?

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Old 04-15-2013, 12:17   #11
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Those targets are Big Sis approved Lon Horiuchi specials.

Those are OK.
For the Horiuchi targets, they need to be holding a baby.
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Old 04-15-2013, 12:38   #12
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When I first heard the story on the radio, I thought the target had a face to it.


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It was a private police range, with only three other people present.
Is this correct? IDK.


I'm wondering nationally, how many of these targets have been sold?

Yeah, this guy needs to get slapped upside the head... maybe a few times. But unless he has a history (even a very short history) of doing stupid things (any stupid thing), fired?
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Old 04-15-2013, 13:38   #13
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On a very limited range, this kind of thing wouldn't even get you fired on LAPD. Disciplinary action, maybe several days off without pay and or transfer out of the assignment, but not fired.

At least in my day, 2005 and prior, and it's hard to believe firing for something like this even now!
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Old 04-15-2013, 17:05   #14
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I would be inclined to say that its also rather poor taste, to say the least, in regard to the target manufacturer. I suppose it could be said that it was intended to show a no-shoot scenario, but it is something that almost certainly will be construed in the wrong way regardless of intentions.
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Old 04-15-2013, 17:49   #15
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It was poor judgment, but far from a firing offense IMO.

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It was a private police range, with only three other people present.
is true, I wouldn't want to partner or work with whoever took it "upstairs". A superior could have corrected him on the spot and dropped it. A Peer or subordinate could have personally expressed their displeasure and dropped it.

If it was brought to the attention of "upstairs" by someone that wasn't there then one of the three other people has a big mouth.

This is a matter of poor taste and should have been handled better.
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Where are those who are always clamoring about LE not being held to any standard, much less a higher one?
Where are the ones who constantly claim LE is a "protected class"?
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Old 04-15-2013, 18:56   #17
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I think people work too hard to get offended. A good cop is too valuable to throw away for public relations.

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Hmmm. I don't have a problem with the target as shown. Fired, please.

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Where are those who are always clamoring about LE not being held to any standard, much less a higher one?
Where are the ones who constantly claim LE is a "protected class"?
Those GNG dimwits are where they always are: Under a rock or in their mother's basement.

It can be debated whether firing is appropriate, but there's no question he needs a few slaps upside his head. But if he wasn't LEO, suggesting slaps upside his head would have the same dimwit GNG crowd crying 1A rights violation.
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I think that target is hilarious and this guy works for a **** agency if they would fire him over it. If it was a private PD range and someone with thin skin got upset then A) They should have just told him to not do it again, and B) told the complainer to suck it up and get over it.
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