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Old 04-26-2013, 16:51   #541
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Mandatory confinement to residences, mandatory business closings, shutdown public transportation, all identified with martial law. Would you use different methods of communicating with the public? There are lots of details that if changed could could have affected the outcome. Which of them would you do differently?
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Tell the victims and their families there was no danger present.
This is the kind of stuff here that bothers me. I put it into the category of "there is always danger present". Why the over-reaction and heavy handedness. This is just what the police do WHEN DIRECTED. I have an issue with the direction.
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Old 04-26-2013, 17:16   #543
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No danger right? Tell it to the families of the victims.
Yes, there was clearly a danger.

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This is the kind of stuff here that bothers me. I put it into the category of "there is always danger present". Why the over-reaction and heavy handedness. This is just what the police do WHEN DIRECTED. I have an issue with the direction.

What overreaction and heavy handedness? To what specifically do you refer?
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Old 04-26-2013, 17:20   #545
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Why should we say this if we don't feel we are wrong?

Why would we say something that we don't believe in?

WE DON'T AGREE WITH YOU.

You should have just agreed to disagree as a gentleman rather than calling people names and posting off color comments directed towards people.

I can certainly agree to disagree. But I won't do so with someone who is being rude and obnoxious.

You reap what you sow.
Too bad, we pay you and you work for us.
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What overreaction and heavy handedness? To what specifically do you refer?
Probably referencing dragging people out of their houses at gunpoint with their hands in the surrender position like common criminals for merely being in their houses.
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What overreaction and heavy handedness? To what specifically do you refer?

It is my understanding that all Bostonians were told to stay in there homes, and that many many homes were searched without real cause. Residents were taken out of the homes, arms held high, and yelled at if they didn't have them high enough. No discernment of who was the threat. I understand PROCEDURE. It was not discriminating as applied. Remember, LE and Government were looking for a wounded 19 year old bomber. They knew what HE looked like. They had some idea where he may likely have been. Remember too. He turned up when a resident was free to leave the house, found him in a boat! 1,000,000 people randomly stopped by LE. I don't like it. It smacks of incompetent heavy handedness.
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Probably referencing dragging people out of their houses at gunpoint with their hands in the surrender position like common criminals for merely being in their houses.
That's it.
"STAY IN YOUR HOUSE!! HANDS UP! KEEP 'EM UP!!!"

Frisking old ladies, folks that DON'T look like the bomber...

Yelled at and ORDERED about.
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Totality of circumstances, absolutely related to the searches. The restricted movement made anyone moving easier to identify, closed businesses restricting BG's access to supplies, cash and additional hostages/victims, closed mass transit eliminated possible escape route, benefiting containment, enhancing chances of discovery and capture. Same topic... What would you have changed, or nothing?
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This is just what the police do WHEN DIRECTED. I have an issue with the direction.
Some of the professionals are taking this line of logic pretty hard. It is a hard pill to swallow. "Every form of refuge has its price".


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Too bad, we pay you and you work for us.
Sure. And we follow the law, not what "you" want us to do.
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This is the kind of stuff here that bothers me. I put it into the category of "there is always danger present". Why the over-reaction and heavy handedness. This is just what the police do WHEN DIRECTED. I have an issue with the direction.
This is just your opinion, and you are entitled to it.

Perhaps the officers on scene who viewed the carnage may have had a different opinion than you.
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Correct! What's funny here is that you still can't get your brain around why that is. There was no one known to be in danger. There was potential danger. The situation was potentially dangerous. But the LE on the scene had no knowledge of anyone in any house who was in danger because the bomber was in the house with them, which would allow a warrantless search under the law because delaying the search of that house to wait for a warrant would likely result in injury or death.

They didn't know where he was. That alone wipes out the warrantless search.

This isn't that complicated.
How would you have known there was no one in danger. Did you have a crystal ball?
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Yes, there was clearly a danger.

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Yeah. How many innocents did this officer kill?

HOW MANY?
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You are exhibiting what I said before, that you have a problem with authority.

Now you are telling moderators what to do.

You are simple and easy to figure out.
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Yeah. How many innocents did this officer kill?

HOW MANY?
How many did he endanger with his poor gun handling skillz? Looks to me like he was angrily displaying that rifle.
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Tell the victims and their families there was no danger present.
See, 4949, what's not coming across real well is the book definition of present danger versus the felt presence of danger.

Yeah, it is something that is probably going to get sorted out in court, but the question to be asked is this, given the events of the preceding days, the bombs in Boston, the migration of violence into Cambridge and then into Watertown, did the people directly involved, first person, believe violence, danger, could be in their neighborhoods, given the information given them by authorities, the media, friends and neighbors?

It isn't whether those not in the neighborhood, the towns of Boston, Watertown, Cambridge, and others believe there was danger. Did the people in the same area as Suspect #2 feel they were in danger from Suspect #2.

Remember, 4949, we did not hear all of the local news broadcasts. I heard a few minutes after they asked everyone to stay secured inside. Those news readers sounded concerned sitting in the security of their probably guarded studios. The were urging people to stay inside and report anyone, anything unusual.

4949, there in Jersey, you've heard local stations go on about emergency situations haven't you? Yeah, I know you have. Did they play it down, or did they raise their level of reading to generate more concern among their viewers and listeners? It's the nature of media reporting.
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How many did he endanger with his poor gun handling skillz? Looks to me like he was angrily displaying that rifle.
Oh sure he was angry. You could see that from the picture right?

HOW MANY INNOCENTS DID HE KILL?

ANSWER THE QUESTION.
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Sure. And we follow the law, not what "you" want us to do.
American laws? Because what went on in Watertown looked like something out of Stalinist Russia or Hitler's Germany.
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